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Need your help.....please. Large pic added. More pics added. PCGS has made a mistake. IMO. Grade rev
Oney
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PLease take a moment and let me know your opinion on this Morgan. I will reveal the PCGS grade in a few minutes. Thanks!
The picture doesn't reflect the depth of the mirror which is over 8". PCGS bb'd this coin for altered surface. I just do not see it.
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The picture doesn't reflect the depth of the mirror which is over 8". PCGS bb'd this coin for altered surface. I just do not see it.
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Brian
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Aerospace Structures Engineer
looks GEM to my eyes...
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
How about AU-58? Maybe even worse?
John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
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Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.
looking at the images, I don't see any rub for me to say AU...
But its tough without having the coin in hand, or a larger more defined image...
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
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Brian. It is a whole bunch easier for us to tell if a mistake was made, if you tell us the grade.
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The picture is a little dark.
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edited to add: the fields look a little "noisy" so i would call it a "slider", hence the MS63.
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I'm also going to guess that it didn't grade higher than 64 although I think it is better than many 64s I've seen.
It could have slipped into a 63 holder, I suppose.
I have a feeling you are going to tell us it came back AU, maybe even worse.
John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
Russ, NCNE
Bodybag, altered surfaces.
Congrats to Russ.
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
<< <i>Bodybag, altered surfaces.
Russ, NCNE >>
ok, so now explain to the rest of us how you came to that conclusion (other than the BB in the picture properties)
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Actually, I drew a logical conclusion. It would be unlikely that a rant thread with this tone of desperation would be posted over a simple grade disagreement. In addition, it's a PL. PCGS is known for incorrectly bodybagging them. They are frequently victims of 10 second grading.
Russ, NCNE
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
<< <i>I just do not understand their reasoning. >>
Ten seconds is not enough time for "reasoning." They bodybagged an 1869 Two Cent Piece for altered surfaces. I turned right around and resubmitted it. It graded MS65BN, the only gem Brown they've ever graded for that year with none finer.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>So I should resubmit? >>
as much as it sucks to eat another grading fee, from what I see on those images I would re-submit....
however, you may get another BB....
You never know....
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
I have a Morgan like that which just got BB'd. I cracked it out of a SEGS 65 holder thinking it really might be 65 and maybe even PL. It really does remind me of this coin.
Anyway I'm not sure what I'm doing with mine. I should have it back in my hands by Tuesday and will look at it again and post photos.
Probably a good idea to call them first. I believe as long as you used a service above economy, D Hall will reveiw it.
the cheek looks a little funky compared to rest of devices - could it have been thumbed on the lower cheek?
is their a tinge of yellow/orange on the devices on front and back ? if so is it natural or something added?
the cartwheel luster on the field in front of the face does not seem to radiate from the center - noticable near 8 o'clock - has the field been messed with? how much magnification can you go - not for a picture but for you to tell if field is normal
I've saved the little notes he writes me -- although I'm not even 100% sure it's actually him.
In instances where there was plausible deniability, he'll come up with no matter how outrages of an explanation of why the grade on the holder is correct.
However, where no degree of rationlization can prevail, well then, he simply ignores it...like he did on my last presidetial review. 2 coins questioned -- he only chose to give me a rationlization for one...simply neglected the other because it was a loose/loose for PCGS. Either buy the coin back or bump a grade higher...since neither was appealing to PCGS/DH, it was easier to pretend the coin was simply not there.
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Perhaps this is too elaborate for the graders but atleast you would get something for your money and you would no longer be in the dark!!!
Just my 2 cents.
Fred
Tom in Williamstown
I paid a little under ms64 money and am faintly hoping for 65. I had enough doubt that I only sent in on a hunch as piggyback with some other coins. Which leads me to this question: If it comes back ms64, won't you be a little hacked that you're into PCGS $50 on this? Submitting is fun and I enjoy the suspense, but the last time a coin came back two grades less than I thought it deserved, the disappointment stayed with me for days.
There have been some recent threads which addressed this exact issue re gold coins which were puttied.
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