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Vintage wax boxes from "itemsintheattic"

Nice boxes

Has anyone ever dealt with this seller? Private auctions never inspire much confidence. He also has two neutrals out of 19 public auctions (Diecast cars).

Those basketball boxes look pretty nice, and that '54 Bowman box isn't bad either. What's a bidder to do.....
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  • AllenAllen Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭
    Either a great deal in waiting or a scam in the making...
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,034 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is this that scammer paoutdoorsman2004 from central Pennsylvania again? Sure looks like it.
  • schr1stschr1st Posts: 1,677 ✭✭
    I can't help but think it is. Let's see what happens this time around.
    Who is Rober Maris?
  • no way this is real...

    stuff like the bowman 54 football would find its way to an auction house..to many unreal items all ending in a time frame where the seller can get all the money and then disapear. Its my opinon, stay away...
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    HMMM I dunno he sez in all his descripts about GAI paks yet I cant find one outta the 6 auctions I checked. PVT Auctions? Y? I would not take the chance.
    Good for you.
  • Checks and MO's only. Just send cash, because you are just throwing your money away. If he is selling for someone else (54 Bowman) he would have more protection built in no Paypal, no insurance, Standard Flat Rate Shipping Service? I wonder who is doing all the shilling. Notice none of his car auctions are private.

    Jim
    Buy anything for cheap and sell for more.
  • Weren't old OPC boxes "factory sealed" with a piece of scotch tape? Don't see that here:

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  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,061 ✭✭✭
    Reminds me of an old saying, how does it go... "Fools and their money....
  • I follow unopened material and all of these are ripped off auction pics/descriptions....do not bid, I will try to find the original auctions....
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,407 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pretty decent stuff from a guy who had only been selling 20 buck model racing cars? This looks like a big risk IMO.

    mike
    Mike
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    Something sure looks strange with the "1954 Bowman Football Unopened Wax Box minus 1 Pack" auction....

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    A couple things about the top packs that just look wrong... If it was missing one pack, why do they appear to be aligned evenly? Also, the top row appears to be sitting up on something and you can't see any packs underneath. I could understand if each section were perfected aligned with each other; however, the top left one is crooked. Therefore, one would assume you could see the others below it. But instead, it's like looking into a bottomless pit.

    While I would love nothing more than to bust that box, it ain't worth the risk.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • KnucklesKnuckles Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭
    Bad Jub Jub.

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  • StingrayStingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭
    If you look real close to that picture under the top right pack, I think I see a pack underneath it, see the white lines of the pack underneath the top one.

    Stingray
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If you look real close to that picture under the top right pack, I think I see a pack underneath it, see the white lines of the pack underneath the top one.

    Stingray >>



    Excellent point and I noticed that as well. Having said that and using the same logic, shouldn't you see the lines under the top left one... Especially considering that it's tilted and the packs (allegedly) under would be exposed rather than the bottomless pit?

    My '54B FB set is about 65% complete and that's my next challenge after I complete my current projects (mainly the '54B. '55T. and '56T). Speaking of, anyone have a '55T Clemente PSA 5 that they would be willing to part with at a reasonable price?? image
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • I'm not sure about the '54 box. His other boxes look "full"....

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    The buyers in his past auctions don't look like obvious shills. Peteb316 for example won three of his auctions and he's a big buyer and seller of cards. Only two buyers have very low feedback (under 20).

    I don't remember the scans being in any other auctions (how often do you see 37 74/75 Topps hockey packs?).

  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,034 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The pictures I viewed have a photoshop look about them. This is most certainly the same guy as before. He's done this two or three times since the paoutdoorsman2004 big scam. If history is any guide he'll be NARU'd within 24 hours after the first round of auctions end. Hard to believe this guy isn't in prison by now.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    I sent him a couple of questions and actually got a prompt response:

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    Q

    Good afternoon, I am very interested in your '54 Bowman box but I have a few questions prior to making a bid: 1) Why did you make the Bidder ID's private? 2) Will you accept a paypal payment or consider an escrow service? If not, will the payment be sent to a physical address with a phone number or a PO Box? 3) Could please you provide a picture of all of the packs' front and back rather than in the box? I truly appreciate your cooperation and look forward to hearing back from you soon. Thanks!!

    A

    Hello, I run all my auctions now private because people generally bid more when they know no one else can see what they are buying. I'm not set up for paypal so a check or money order is fine. I'll try to get some additional pictures for you if I can get with the consignor as he might be away for the weekend, thanks for your interest.

    ....

    This brings up even more questions... He's doing a private auction so it can bring in more cash. Well, under the same scenario, it would bring even more cash if it were cosigned with someone having a better feed back than 25 items and a longer member since Feb '05. Additionally, he didn't mention about if the payment would be sent to a PO Box or physical address with a phone number.

    While it is tempting, I'm gonna pass..
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092
    I just reported this guy to ebay and I suggest you all do the same. It can never hurt to put good karma into the world, especially if it only takes 2 minutes.

    Lee
  • It's the same guy...He will be gone by tomorrow
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    reported him for what?
    Good for you.
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092
    What have we been talking about this whole thread?

    Lee
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    We're reporting someone on guesses?

    What exactly can ebay do, anyways? Until there is a complaint filed by a buyer, they can't exactly go around banning anyone who might be 'suspicious'.


  • << <i>We're reporting someone on guesses?

    What exactly can ebay do, anyways? Until there is a complaint filed by a buyer, they can't exactly go around banning anyone who might be 'suspicious'. >>

    I agree. it smacks a little of calling police on the homeless guy on the street because "he looks like he might steal" from you.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    While it is tempting, please do not ask me what his email address is.... All I will say is that it ends with @yahoo.com. Is there any way to find out how long an account has been active? I'll check it out and let you guys know... Just as an FYI.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts

  • I missed out on the paoutdoorsman2004 scam in the past - is there an old thread with this topic?
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  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    There are many. Search for them, start here for now.

    Scam
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  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092
    I didn't say ebay would actually stop the auctions or anything, but I certainly believe at the very least an investigation on their part is in order here based on all the facts stated in this thread. If they don't find anything and the guy is legit, no one gets hurt. But if they find a similar name, email address, credit card, phone number, etc... as paoutdoorsman and they compare auctions being held by the two, they should stop ebay users from egtting scammed. There's nothing wrong with reporting something you feel is suspicious to ebay since you would hope someone would do the same for an item you were bidding on.

    For example, say you sold a 1952 Topps reprint set and saw an auction a week later by the buyer listing an "authentic" 1952 Topps Mantle that looks exactly like the one in the reprint set you sold (it has the same centering, print mark, etc...). It may be yours, it may not be, but I feel if you are almost certain it's the same one and the seller is defrauding the high bidder you should at least notify ebay. They may or may not stop the auction, but at least an investigation took place. Basically, ebay's not going to take action without reason, and if something seems a little shady, then it doesn't hurt to ask them to look into the seller.


    Lee
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,034 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with CDsNuts. If John Dillinger enters a bank...Should you wait until he walks up to the teller, pulls a gun and commits robbery, or should you stop John Dillinger from walking up to the teller? Some of these ebayers are obvious repeat criminals that should be stopped ahead of time. Easier said than done I realize.

    Steve
  • Fwiw, i emailed the following to him yesterday to see his reaction: "Nice to see you back "outdoorsman".How long do you think you will last this time?".. I was expecting a "what the hell are you talking about?" response.He never replied. To me the silence speaks volumes
  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭


    << <i>I'll try to get some additional pictures for you if I can get with the consignor as he might be away for the weekend >>


    Right out of the "Scammer's Book Of Evasive Answers To Give To Suspicious Buyers." I just bet a check or money order would be fine.
  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    PAoutdoorsman also resurfaced as Vintage_wax80. I paid for an 84 fleer update set, got refunded by paypal. Dunno if these are the same as the new guy.


  • << <i>Is there any way to find out how long an account has been active? . >>

    link
  • I asked If I can pick up in person and pay cash. I am curious to see response.
    My ebay store IS CLOSED TEMPORARILY


  • << <i>I asked If I can pick up in person and pay cash. I am curious to see response. >>

    you will not get one.


  • << <i> I'll try to get some additional pictures for you if I can get with the consignor as he might be away for the weekend >>



    How convenient! The consigner just happens to be away for the weekend of the auction.

    There are going to be some big fireworks in PA if these auctions continue and the net result is what we all think it will be. He's got over $10 k in bids.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Is there any way to find out how long an account has been active? . >>

    link >>



    Sorry, I should have been more clear. I meant is there any way to find out how long his yahoo account has been active.

    Still have not recieved additional pictures of the fronts and backs...
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • Take his email address before the @ symbol, and plonk it down after:
    http://profiles.yahoo.com/

    i.e., if his email was joe_blow@yahoo.com, go to the URL http://profiles.yahoo.com/joe_blow

    It should tell you a bit o' info on him, anyway..

    Mike
    Collecting Edmonton sports cards - all Eskimos CFL cards and O-Pee-Chee Oilers as well as Chris Osgood hockey cards
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092
    Auctions are still going on- I guess the guy covered his tracks pretty well. Well, when ebay gets 38 emails about from users that got defrauded out of several thousands of dollars they can't say that nobody warned them.

    Lee
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    Thanks 56Parkies!

    From yahoo:

    Profile Stats
    Last Updated: 02/06/2005

    From Ebay:

    Member since Feb-06-05 in United States

    You be the judge image

    Edit-

    '54B "box" is now up to $1,775.00 image
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • AllenAllen Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭
    How about his 85 Topps Rack Packs w/ 18 Mac rookies on top auction?

    I think this has to be photoshop work. Remember how good the soriano lots he did as paoutdoorsman looked?
  • SlangNRoxSlangNRox Posts: 774 ✭✭
    18 rack packs and none have the mac card over the yellow star on the pack
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,034 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<< How about his 85 Topps Rack Packs w/ 18 Mac rookies on top auction? >>>

    The odds of someone really having this has to be a hundred billion to one, if not impossible.
  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭
    So if the theory is that the seller doesn't really have this stuff, his plan must be to take the money and dump his eBay ID, which presumably will be flooded with negative feedback and then suspended. But can't he be traced through the checks? He has to cash them somewhere.
  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭


    << <i><<< How about his 85 Topps Rack Packs w/ 18 Mac rookies on top auction? >>>

    The odds of someone really having this has to be a hundred billion to one, if not impossible. >>



    i dont know much about 1985 topps, but i doubt it would be impossible.. as a rickey henderson collector, i see alot of racks & cellos from various years with Henderson on top, and i'm sure if i wanted to i could have accumulated quite a few by now, even his rookie racks..
    ·p_A·
  • SoFLPhillyFanSoFLPhillyFan Posts: 3,931 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i><<< How about his 85 Topps Rack Packs w/ 18 Mac rookies on top auction? >>>

    The odds of someone really having this has to be a hundred billion to one, if not impossible. >>



    i dont know much about 1985 topps, but i doubt it would be impossible.. as a rickey henderson collector, i see alot of racks & cellos from various years with Henderson on top, and i'm sure if i wanted to i could have accumulated quite a few by now, even his rookie racks.. >>



    I agree, but could you collect 18 different rack packs?

    Wouldn't these packs have some of the same cards on the top, along with the McGwire?
  • With 792 cards in the set, one of out every 264 racks would have the McGwire on the top. With 18 McGwire's, he had to go through 4,752 racks!

    With 24 packs in a box, he had to go through......198 boxes!!

    Not to mention his other auctions. 51 racks with Bonds on the top, 27 with Mattingly.

    In his description, he says it took box after box to get these racks. Apparently, he's gone through hundreds of cases.......
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092
    I don't think he's ever touched a baseball card. However, I used to collect racks with stars on top a while back and it's not inconceivable that he stole this scan from a McGwire collector that picked up as many as he could in the 15 years McGwire played the game. Basically, it seems like this guy builds up a colelction of scans from past ebay items, creates a new user id and email, then goes to town. He probably collects as much dough as he can then picks up and moves on. He'll probably get 10-20k from this batch.

    Take a look at the scans- overall they are pretty consistent (black background, easy to do), but on the basketball GAI packs, they were done on a scanner with a white background, and on the 1976 Football GAi packs they were done on a black background. Also, why didn't he just scan the Ted Williams postcard instead of taking a picture of it? I don't doubt that any of the items are real and exist somewhere in the world, I just don't think he actually has any of them.

    Lee
  • AllenAllen Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭
    paoutdoorsman had 5 lots of 300 Soriano Minor league rookies of which only 4,000 sets were produced. It would be impossible to have that many as demand was high in 98. He is just very good with graphics.
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092
    Yeah Allen, I guess that would be near impossible, but someone could have had 300 of them and he just used the picture over. Either way it doesn't matter, the guy's a crook. Someone with a 2nd ebay account they don't care about should bid on one of his items and get his contact info.

    Lee
  • wallst32wallst32 Posts: 513 ✭✭
    NARU
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