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What does everyone think about the new "Speared Buffalo" variety? It's kind of on the line, so to speak. The line thru the Buffalo is definitely there, but it is a little weak.
Should we recognize this variety?
Thanks for the input,
David
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Just like A Vam Variety.
I'd rather see a Spearmint Buffalo.
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Edited to add: the bison is a die gouge, just interestingly placed. Since when does PCGS, of all services, recognize die gouges? Is the pissing minuteman next? Give me a break.
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you can read more comments here:
previous thread about bison errors
and while your at it - check out this auction that has THIRTEEN HUNDRED HITS! (you can view hits at bottom of auction page) - Unbelievable!!!!!!and with over 100 'Watchers'.
Let the masses speak. This looks like peaking interest to me!
Speared Bison error auction on eBay
The above link is NOT to advertise item, but to point out that thirteen hundred hits is a LOT of hits - and a LOT of interest. eBay sets a cookie, so repeat viewers by same person are NOT counted. Try it - you'll see.
Photos of error can be seen here:
VarietyNickels.com
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Well, I guess it is a variety, but I think it's a little iffy in terms of its significance.
'Significance' is determined by' interest' - and what people like to collect, and there is no doubt that a lot of people are 'interested'. The buffalo on coins has always been a very popular item. This one will continue to be IMHO. Proof: Look at all of the problems that the US Mint is having getting the Bison nickels to customers, and the problems that a lot of people are having even getting these from banks. Some folks can, but others aren't able to. Look at eBay for interest/significance on these mint rolls already! People are already hoarding these things.
<<Should we recognize this variety?>>
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<< <i>'Significance' is determined by' interest' - and what people like to collect, and there is no doubt that a lot of people are 'interested'. The buffalo on coins has always been a very popular item. This one will continue to be IMHO. Proof: Look at all of the problems that the US Mint is having getting the Bison nickels to customers, and the problems that a lot of people are having even getting these from banks. Some folks can, but others aren't able to. Look at eBay for interest/significance on these mint rolls already! People are already hoarding these things. >>
I agree, interest for the speared buff is bound to be high, especially with error collectors and fans of the original buff nickel.
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as there are many mint made varieties that are more important and historically significant like the obverse cancelled die 1878-cc quarter and these are not regonized as such
a simple light die gouge is not a variety and doesnot make the coin a variety
so i say no
JRocco shows pictures of two nice RPMs that can been seen with the naked eye...these and many others in this series alone are at least as pronounced (or more pronounced) as the RPMs that are already recognized by PCGS in the Buffalo nickel series.
I know there are a great number of collectors in this series who are very interested not only in a broad expansion of PCGS recognized varieties...but also in any recognition and attribution of varieties outside of the scope of those listed in the CPG. I'm aware that there are a number of logistical problems involved with anything above and beyond modest expansion, and that there are additional problems of competing attribution systems and truly accurate attribution once one ventures beyond the CPG; but these are not insurmountable problems in my opinion. I would be happy to discuss this topic in more detail at any time.
I stated my personal opinion on the "Speared Buffalo" above, but my overall thought is to let the market decide. I'm not all that crazy about overpolished die varieties like the 1922 Plain Lincoln and the 1937-D 3-Legged Buffalo; but the market has accepted these as desired varieties, and it isn't my place to tell other people what they should collect. Just don't overlook the fact that PCGS has a waiting market in a huge number of varieties that are already established and accepted by collectors.
RELLA
Edited for clarity and to correct a spelling error.
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Add more popular Morgan VAMs, Jefferson Varieties, and other more significant errors first...
I am neutral. It is cool, especially given that Bison were once hunted by spear and this looks spear like. Another "new" variety to be found by the public does help the hobby in the short run. I think the State quarter program can be partially thanked for todays market. The 3 legged Buff and 22 no D are just from worn/over polished dies and they are popular and recognized, however many doubled dies are not recognized from many different series. Flip a coin?
Brian
what denotes 'popularity' and 'significance' - 'ownership'?
It appears so by some of the replies on this thread.
I would also like to refer some people to this thread posted a few days ago:
previous thread
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Regarding the recognition of the speared buffalo, I am always amazed at the excitement generated by microscopic and barely visible varieties on modern coins, while major and blatant varieties of much greater importance are ignored on earlier series.
I don't know where you should draw the line, but I do think a lot of modern varieties are silly. When I see the usual articles in Coin World pointing out possible doubled dies, I am perplexed. These people ought to look at the 1872 and 1873 shield nickels shown in the CHerrypicker's Guide. Now THOSE are DDO's !!!! They make any 20th century DDO seem tame (or even irrelevant) by comparison. In the shield nickel series alone, there are repunched dates with wide displacements, major hub varieties, major date logotype varieties, and more. For example, why doesn't PCGS recognize the 1869 5c narrow date logotype variety (FS-005, also called "tall date"), or the 1868 5c Reverse of 1868 (a hub unique to that year)? Not to mention the wild DDO's, etc.
I do understand that there is some value in getting people interested in coin collecting, and one way is to get people to look at their pocket change in search of "rare" varieties. However, it seems odd to me to consider recognizing something like the speared bison when there are so many other more obvious and numismatically important varieties that are not attributed on PCGS holders.
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I am sending in a 2005 D quarter with the Virgin Mary outlined on it ...looks like it will grade a MS69
Its an error coin and it should be listed as such on its holder but NOT included in any PCGS registry nickel subheading.
Neither should the Wisconsin High Leaf/Low Leaf variety be included in the registry.
They are not in the same category as the SLQ overdate, Buffalo overdate or DDO or DDR, just to name a few.
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I think it was a mistake to list the Wisconsin high leaf and low leaf. I don't think that jsut because PCGS made the decision to list the WI quarters that the "Speared Buffalo" should be listed.
If these label, than I want to see my "Lincoln Dropping A Doob" coin get its own slab (so coined by SSCamaro I believe)
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When conpared to the Pixxin minuteman, the speared bison seems more significant but certainly not on the level of the 3-legged buffalo or even the wisconsin quarter. But...if that thing is worth $100 (see ebay link to speared bison) you can be sure there will be some hype for special inclusion. Doesn't do much for me, speared bison...hummmmmmm.
<< <i>If these label, than I want to see my "Lincoln Dropping A Doob" coin get its own slab (so coined by SSCamaro I believe) >>
I would pay good money for that in a PCGS holder, as a separate variety or a "Mint Error", if the phrase "Lincoln Dropping A Doob" was actually imprinted on the PCGS insert.
RELLA
who boasts of twenty years experience in his craft
while in fact he has had only one year of experience...
twenty times.
It's a neat variety but to be honest none of these should have
special numbers and labels. But then again it's only fair if you
did it for one to do it for another. JMO
None of thse should make it into registry.
Since when does PCGS have an interest in varieties?