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Toned Peace $.Real or Shake-n-bake ?

wjd283wjd283 Posts: 1,406
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I visited my local coin shop yesterday and he had this Peace $ for sale.I though it might be natural,but did'nt get hurt if its not.I'm not to good at imaging,but the pic is pretty close to what it looks like in hand.


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  • BigGreekBigGreek Posts: 1,090 ✭
    Look au naturale to moi image
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  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,042 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yup, I'd say NT.
  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭
    Beautiful peace, I think NT.
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  • TonedPeaceNutTonedPeaceNut Posts: 1,000 ✭
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  • PrethenPrethen Posts: 3,452 ✭✭✭
    Isn't single-sided toning a fairly good indicator it's NT?
  • bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616 ✭
    It's real. & real nice find!
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  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭
    Looks NT to me.
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  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    Nice tone.
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  • jonesyjonesy Posts: 5,031
    Purdy!! image
  • kryptonitecomicskryptonitecomics Posts: 9,185 ✭
    NT........99% sure....attractively toned...I'd buy it!!!
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  • InditonkaInditonka Posts: 437 ✭✭✭
    NT. If the other side was like that, then I'd have to lean towards AT.
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  • wjd283wjd283 Posts: 1,406


    << <i>Isn't single-sided toning a fairly good indicator it's NT? >>



    That's what made me think it was NT.

    Don't think I could've scored this'n on ebay for $14.99.image
  • relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570 ✭

    Nice and natural
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  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,997 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice NT Peace Dollar.
  • uofa1285uofa1285 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭
    I don't think it was cooked or otherwise intentionally AT'ed, but unfortunately I do not think it is market acceptable as it will not grade at either service. JMHO.

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  • ibzman350ibzman350 Posts: 5,315 ✭
    I like it, nice find.



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  • TonedPeaceNutTonedPeaceNut Posts: 1,000 ✭


    << <i>but unfortunately I do not think it is market acceptable as it will not grade at either service >>



    And what about this coin do you base that statement on? I've seen plenty of one side Peace toners and that russett color is one of the more common colors for a Peace $ to tone.

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  • uofa1285uofa1285 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>but unfortunately I do not think it is market acceptable as it will not grade at either service >>



    And what about this coin do you base that statement on? I've seen plenty of one side Peace toners and that russett color is one of the more common colors for a Peace $ to tone.

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    Colors and patterns are wrong...Have you seen them in either service's holder? Can you show me a picture of one of the "plenty" you speak of? Remember, I did not say the coin was necessarily AT, just not MA enough to get holdered by the big two.
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  • DeadhorseDeadhorse Posts: 3,720 ✭
    NT all the way. It will slab as well.

    I have 3 very similar in NGC slabs right now. That color on only one side is reasonably common. Not a dime a dozen, but typical for the Peace series.
    "Lenin is certainly right. There is no subtler or more severe means of overturning the existing basis of society(destroy capitalism) than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and it does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose."
    John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
  • uofa1285uofa1285 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭


    << <i>NT all the way. It will slab as well.

    I have 3 very similar in NGC slabs right now. That color on only one side is reasonably common. Not a dime a dozen, but typical for the Peace series. >>



    I disagree completely.

    Show me these "very similar" coins. Thanks,

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  • DeadhorseDeadhorse Posts: 3,720 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>NT all the way. It will slab as well.

    I have 3 very similar in NGC slabs right now. That color on only one side is reasonably common. Not a dime a dozen, but typical for the Peace series. >>



    I disagree completely.

    Show me these "very similar" coins. Thanks,

    Doug >>



    I have no way to photograph them. Disagree all you want. I got them from Heritage a couple of years ago.
    "Lenin is certainly right. There is no subtler or more severe means of overturning the existing basis of society(destroy capitalism) than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and it does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose."
    John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
  • uofa1285uofa1285 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>NT all the way. It will slab as well.

    I have 3 very similar in NGC slabs right now. That color on only one side is reasonably common. Not a dime a dozen, but typical for the Peace series. >>



    I disagree completely.

    Show me these "very similar" coins. Thanks,

    Doug >>



    I have no way to photograph them. Disagree all you want. I got them from Heritage a couple of years ago. >>



    I love your icon Morgan...very, very nice!

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  • DeadhorseDeadhorse Posts: 3,720 ✭


    << <i>I love your icon Morgan...very, very nice!

    Doug >>



    That's the famous "flea market Morgan" that Russ picked up a few years ago. He made about a million percent profit on it. image
    "Lenin is certainly right. There is no subtler or more severe means of overturning the existing basis of society(destroy capitalism) than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and it does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose."
    John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    I think it's NT- I purchased a peace dollar from Tumuss not to long ago that has some similer toning, and they're quite attractive!
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  • uofa1285uofa1285 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I love your icon Morgan...very, very nice!

    Doug >>



    That's the famous "flea market Morgan" that Russ picked up a few years ago. He made about a million percent profit on it. image >>



    Oh yeah, I remember now...they all started at one dollar in cost so all that matters is what the mean to us! image

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  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    <<< don't think it was cooked or otherwise intentionally AT'ed, but unfortunately I do not think it is market acceptable as it will not grade at either service. JMHO. >>>

    Ahhhhh........................................ there's that silly term again, MARKET ACCEPTABLE.

    Translated to mean that when NGC foocks up and holders bad coins, they are then MARKET ACCEPTABLE because the holder says so. Is that what you meant uofa?


    MARKET ACCEPTABLE is a pointless term used by those who don't have a clue what they're looking at IMO. If it's in a PCGS/NGC holder it's MARKET ACCEPTABLE, if it's raw, it's not MARKET ACCEPTABLE.......at least according to all these new generation toned coin experts and vest pocket Ebay dealers who have about 12 months experience.

  • KurtHornKurtHorn Posts: 1,382 ✭
    Looks NT to me. I just bought a type collection. The kind that hangs on the wall. The reverse of the Peace dollar has some amazing toning from having been in there for 20-30 years. It's gorgeous. Here's my quandry... It's a common date 1924 P and the condition is about MS 63 on a good day maybe MS 64 if they had a nice doughnut that morning. Anyway, it's a coin that I wouldn't bother slabbing usually but because of the toning would it raise the value enough to warrant slabbing?

    I'll try and take some pics in the next few days, but any opinions you have would be appreciated.
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  • BigGreekBigGreek Posts: 1,090 ✭
    Kurt,

    I think slabbing a toned coin may help increase its value.
    A toned collector wants slabbed coins for the same reason
    as any other collector: reassurance.

    Think about sending it to ANACS. They tend to factor in
    color a bit more than the others and their economy service
    is cheaper.

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  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    This coin will have no problem getting holdered because of the toning. In the last few months I have sold half a dozen with simliar toning. mike image
  • uofa1285uofa1285 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭


    << <i>

    ...If it's in a PCGS/NGC holder it's MARKET ACCEPTABLE, if it's raw, it's not MARKET ACCEPTABLE.......at least according to all these new generation toned coin experts and vest pocket Ebay dealers who have about 12 months experience. >>



    That describes me pretty well image , although I can tell to a high degree now the MA of most raw toned coins. Based on the pics, this coin will not holder.

    Doug
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  • FC57CoinsFC57Coins Posts: 9,140 ✭


    << <i>Colors and patterns are wrong...Have you seen them in either service's holder? Can you show me a picture of one of the "plenty" you speak of? Remember, I did not say the coin was necessarily AT, just not MA enough to get holdered by the big two. >>



    Doug - looking at the picture, I'd say the coin is probably lighter gold/copper. Although I can't recall this particular pattern on Peace dollars, it's the spitting image of many of my endroll toned Kennedies. So I'd have to agree that it's probably natural and it would probably holder - I've certainly seen weirder stuff than this holder.

    Frank
  • wjd283wjd283 Posts: 1,406


    << <i>Doug - looking at the picture, I'd say the coin is probably lighter gold/copper. >>



    Frank is correct,depending on how you hold it,it is either lighter or darker.Here's another image with a different camera setting.

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    It looks similar to this straight on,but looks similar to first pic at an angle.
  • wjd283wjd283 Posts: 1,406
    I really had'nt planned on slabbing it,but since I am fixing a submission for ANACS,I'll send this one too.Can't afford the big two.We'll see what ANACS thinks aboat it anyway.
  • TonedPeaceNutTonedPeaceNut Posts: 1,000 ✭


    << <i> Anyway, it's a coin that I wouldn't bother slabbing usually but because of the toning would it raise the value enough to warrant slabbing? >>



    Ummm Bear just bought a toned Peace $ in MS64 for $3000, I think you should have it slabbed.

    BTW -- I have a Peace toner from 1 of those sets as well. Amazing reverse colors -- please post some pics!

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  • etexmikeetexmike Posts: 6,811 ✭✭✭
    Looks natural to me.

    Very nice coin.image

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