Trade Dollar Counterfeit Test - Pics Now Attached

keoj

For those who think they are good at discerning real coins from fakes, I found a good test. Please look that the coin and tell if it real or a fake and why......I'll post the answer later. TDN is barred from answering but I'll take his PM.

keoj

Trade Dollar

Prethen

I flicked my computer monitor with my fingers right over the coin image and it didn't go "ting"....hmmm...I guess it's a fake.

Merc

That picture is too small and has too much glare to tell much. It looks like it was struck yesterday however, and that makes me suspect. The trade dollars I have seen do not look this bright and flashy. There are some tooling/ die errors to look for but the picture is too poor to see these.

Coinosaurus

It must be a fake. Because if it wasn't, you would not tell anyone and instead would buy this primo coin for the $10 minimum

airplanenut

Raw... eBay... that's about all the reason I'd need to STAY AWAY!

nankraut

Airplanenut: You got that right!

Bear

I dont buy my coins raw and I dont eat fish raw.

dragon

falsificacion

cointagious

First, his 78-cc auction a blazing fake - type 1 rev.

About the 75-cc:

The obv denticles are a bit mushy and uneven in places. The end of the ribbon looks like a type 1 but incomplete but the hand looks like a type 2. The reverse is a type1 and looks good excepting the denticles again and that could be photog problems. Overall, a very nice fake.

stev32k

He offers "no refunds or exchanges". Claims the coin is "stunning MS60/63" yet it is not certified. A genuine 1875-CC Trade Dollar in MS60 would go for about $450-500. An MS63 about double or triple that. If he truly thought he had a genuine MS60 or MS63 it would be in a holder.

keoj

All good clues (no refund, 10 dollar start price, etc.)

Here's the answer and its wicked subtle!!!!!

Clue #1: Very small cc. Not enough to say its a fake.

Proof #1: Type I reverse is okay (berry in right claw as you look at it). However, the neck feathers on the left of the eagles head (as you look at it) are contiguous down to the neck. WRONG. On Type I reverses, there is a small notch right at the neck (they are not smoothly contiguous to the neck).

I realize this is more info than you need but these fakes are VERY good......this is one of the best that I've seen. Just trying to share diagnostic info and protect a rip off.

keoj

ibzman350

No clue, let me pull out the fake I bought and compare

So on real trade dollar ms liberty has a right thigh, correct, cause the one in my hand does not



Herb

tradedollarnut

These fakes are getting to be so good. The eagle's neck feathers and the overall 'look' of the coin were the only things I could put my finger on. His 73-CC is pretty bad, tho - the 3 in the date looks much too large to be genuine ... and 73-CC's just don't look like that coin, either.

midwestcoin13

michael

this is after the fact but

close to a typeone reverse but not type one and ditto for the type two reverse close to a type tewo reverse but not a type two reverse so a fake

eventually they will get it right

dragon

I earlier said this coin was a fake (falsificacion) beacuse of not only what Keoj later pointed out, but also the eagles wing tip that bisects the arrow looks 'off' to me too. I also agree with Keoj on the size of the actual CC's because both the T1 and T2 rev. have rather large and spaced CC's regardless of their exact placement.

I agree though, as fakes go, that one ain't bad. Very good thread keoj!

Merc

Thanks for the answer.

Last year, there were several articles and large pictures of the new fake Trade dollars in the FUN members' quarterly newsletter. These die struck fakes had the correct designs, but the coins has small repeating flaws. The articles were written by Randy of ANACS so the information should be correct. I would present the info, but I have misplaced the articles after I moved last year. Does anyone else have these articles on the fake Trade dollars?

Oldnewbie

Also after the fact, but isn't that "dot" above the "N" in United one of the diagnostics to look for in fake Trade Dollars?



Eric

Prethen

Can someone post the pictures on this thread (I can't see eBay from work) so that the thread can have some level of permanence once the auction is over or has been removed?

Smittys

Don't you have to blow on it and hear the "bling", that's what another thread said..
I'm no good at fakes so my guess is it is because why else would you show it.

RalphP13

per request

Ralph

Smittys

Is anyone turning this guy in?????

Bootleg

another way if i missed to check for counterfit's is to weigh them and also check the width of them,.....
not only are trade dollars countered,i found out that lot of ealry bust haves are 2,

the bust halves from what i have been told are half the width of the real!....
so everyone watch out!!!!! make sure you get a weight before buyin.....



sorry keyboard batts are runnin low!!!!misspellin everywhre..

ss350camaro

Sellers response to my question on the 1875-CC:



<< <i>evrry time i list a cc trade dollar i get 30 emails telling me its fake ! so dont bid..thanks >>




Response to my question on the 1878-CC:



<< <i>yes cc wow , why not the s dollars ? cause none are fake ! waste someone elses time >>






I guess he doesn't give a crap if thier fake or not?

ss350camaro

Just curious if anyone here has contacted the seller on the possibility of the two CC's being fake ?

I asked a simple question and she really laid into me. Telling me she's reported me to ebay for bidder interference (i haven't contacted any of the bidders) and threatening to have me booted off ebay. she's spouting off about her ebay power seller status .... blah blah blah

ss350camaro

ttt

Proofquarter

Fake? Arrows not right at eagles claws?

keoj

I'll post a picture of the specific diagnostic tonight.

keoj

keoj

Diagnostic for a Type I Reverse (at the neck)





Diagnostic for a Type II Reverse (at the neck)

https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads/oldattachments/ACF4DC.jpg


keoj

tradedollarnut

Type II:

stev32k

That is very interesting information. Thanks to both of you for posting it.

Bootleg

so whats the conculsion on trade dollars now,i do see amass of differnt types counter/repro'ed,now i can see even collecting a counter rack V nick, or one of the bust haves i mentioned due to the military history,but why repro the kings of all coins,chained cent also >,,,,?......are they real silver anyway,not a sort of combo metal bunk coin that look soff the machine,....WAY TO SHINEY AND BRIGHT FOR THAT OLD!,....?....

tradedollarnut

Hmmm - seem to have struck a nerve with this "powerseller". A few choice responses from the 15 year old:

f*** off *** hole ! you and your stupid jelous comments ! dont like my auctions dont bid ,plain and simple !

hey ***hole i have already turned you in to ebay for bidder interference so when your registration gets blocked you will learn to keep you comments to yourself ! this coin has been in my family for 80 years ! i know its real so keep your mouth out of my buisiness ! who are you ? f*** off

what is your home address so we can settle this and i can shut you up for good ? dont be scared b****

BigGreek

Looks real to me. The fakes I've seen look EFish and have no luster.
They also have a poorly struck/mushy appearance and are the wrong
color (for a toned coin).

This coin seems well struck. There appears to be some luster on it
and it at least looks like a silver metal coin. The only thing which would
lead me to think its fake is the return policy.


Edit: just read the rest of the thread. I would probably have been fooled
by this

dragon

Look at a few of this sellers other Trade Dollars, anyone see anything else??