If this is only a cameo, I'd sure like to see what it takes to get DCAM these days!

Russ

That's the one that graded PR69CAM on my last order. I had it going PR68DCAM.

Russ, NCNE

TerrapinWill

Russ, it appears you have been robbed

airplanenut

Could it be the frost weakness on the right side of the bell? No matter what, that's one heckuva coin, and I'd have thought DCAM, too... did you get a sympathy point, or could you see it as a 69?

TheRock

I would agree. Looks like a DCAM to me.

Russ

<< <i>Could it be the frost weakness on the right side of the bell? >>



No. There really is very little weakness. It's mostly shadow. Not enough to preclude the DCAM designation, and I've seen many of these graded DCAM that weren't even in the same league as this one. That said, it'll likely bring as much as a PR69CAM as it would have in my expected grade of PR68DCAM, so basically it's a wash.

Russ, NCNE

nankraut

WOW! I have to agree 100%, Russ. I have several heavy-frosted 1956's I was going to send in for DCAM; now I'm not so sure. I already sent in a '56 type 1 that I am (was) hoping to get CAM. Now, I'm not very confident on that one either.

ksteelheader

<< <i>If this is only a cameo, I'd sure like to see what it takes to get DCAM these days! >>



Mr. Marty doesn't seem to be having any problems!

Russ

Here's the other two from the submission:

PR66CAM:


PR68CAM:


Now, for a couple different reasons I can agree with only cameo on those. Although, they are certainly at the top of the scale for the designation, and much better than a garden variety cam.

Russ, NCNE

Russ

<< <i><< If this is only a cameo, I'd sure like to see what it takes to get DCAM these days! >>

Mr. Marty doesn't seem to be having any problems! >>



How many DCAM pre 1960 proofs has he made at PCGS lately? Answer: Zero.

Russ, NCNE

airplanenut

<< <i>That said, it'll likely bring as much as a PR69CAM as it would have in my expected grade of PR68DCAM, so basically it's a wash. >>

So send it in for a designation review, and make it a 69DCAM

badger

Russ,

I don't know. I think the upper part of the bell caused the cam on the PR69Cam. In hand, the coin may look like it has no breaks at the top. Great coins.

Russ

And, from a value standpoint, this one blows them all away:





<< <i>I think the upper part of the bell caused the cam on the PR69Cam. >>



Only in PCGS la la land.

Russ, NCNE

FatMan

Hey Russ, I sure hope they sent you a tube of lube. Otherwise that one would really hurt.

Sure looks DCAM to me. Why don't you put HRH on the hot seat and send it for a presidential review. It would likely be the first Frankie he ever had to grade. You think HRH would have a clue? Heck, I'll throw $10 into a pot just for the entertainment value.

badger

Russ, didn't mean to upset things. I have been reviewing my Franklins to get a grading scale. Frost weakness in the top of the reverse devices seemed to be weighted higher than elsewhere.

LouisCamp

Hey Russ;

You know the deal. The next person to send it in again will get the upgrade. Truly a game.

Lou

TonedPeaceNut

Could it be they just don't like you.


TPN

rb7557

Russ you've been the victim of a robbery!!!! That Frankie is gorgeous!!! Maybe you have to crack and submit it 3 times so PCGS makes their percentage guess thats not robbery, just good buisiness!!!

Russ

<< <i>Russ, didn't mean to upset things. >>



Nothing is upset. It's just that there is this misconception that even a single little tiny frost fade will preclude the DCAM designation. I know that's what PCGS claims, but in reality it's not the case. A DCAM is a DCAM based on overall presentation. There are plenty of DCAM designated proof coins that have minor breaks, but have the overall top end contrast look necessary to garner the designation.

One of the things that many don't realize about PCGS is that they frequently use the one point bump approach to reward a very strong, (in reality DCAM), cameo coin rather than grade it DCAM. They do the same thing with light, but qualified, cameos - grade them brilliant with a point bump. I've had it happen many times.

For example, I once had a 1964 Kennedy with an obvious and glaring spot on the upper reverse periphery grade PR69CAM. Why? Because it was really a full blown DCAM, (had actually been graded DCAM by PCGS before), but rather than give it the designation they bumped it a point and graded it cameo.

Russ, NCNE

seanq

<< <i>[
One of the things that many don't realize about PCGS is that they frequently use the one point bump approach to reward a very strong, (in reality DCAM), cameo coin rather than grade it DCAM. They do the same thing with light, but qualified, cameos - grade them brilliant with a point bump. I've had it happen many times.

Russ, NCNE >>




They do the same thing on other premium designations like Full Steps or Full Torch. I have had more than a few Jefferson nickels come back without the FS but one grade higher than expected. I figured it was because the designation was worth a two-point bonus in the registry, and they wre giving the coin half the bonus for being close.


Sean Reynolds