Old Copper and/or Colonial Collectors: What Are These Three all About?

braddick

I picked up a small grouping of interesting older copper recently from a local shop. I have since, mistakingly, sold one, and before I repeat my error I'd like more information regarding these three. Even speculations would be helpful!
Thanks.
Looks like a it was struck over another coin. It is the size of a large cent- maybe slightly larger.



This one has a dual date. 1794 on one side and 1795 on another. No appearance of an alteration either. Ever so slightly smaller than the first coin shown.



This last one looks like a counterfeit. About the size of a quarter, give or take.

cosmicdebris

First 2 look like Conder Tokens and the 3rd an Irish farthing maybe.

OKbustchaser

The first is a token issued by the London bookseller J. Lackington. I know that I have seen the second, but it escapes me right now. The third is a Wood's Hibernia--either a farthing (slightly smaller than a quarter and my guess) or a half penny (slightly larger than a quarter).

Jim

Conder101

Pictures aren't showing up for me.

PutTogether

me either
im not an expert at all, but sure would like to see

OKbustchaser

TTT since the photos are showing again.

Jim

BillJones

The third one is a counterfeit Hibernia half penny. The British made these coins for Ireland, but enough of them got over to the American colonies to rate a spot in the Red Book. The piece looks like a crude cast copy and probably is not worth much of anything.

The first two look like Condor tokens, but that’s not one of my areas of expertise. It appears that the first is a double strike, but beyond that I can’t help you.

braddick

Thanks guys (it looks like my host server is up and running... at least for a bit!). The dual date on the second item has me curious.

braddick

TTT for the midday crowd.

TUMUSS

Here is another example of the first. I have not researched it???

Conder101

The first is a Conder token from J Lackington of Middlesex. He was a dealer in new and second hand books. He issud about ten different varieties of tokens, all of which are common. This one is part of a series with similar designs D&H 353 - 358. I don't have my copy of D&H with me but I believe it is either 357 or 358. It has been double struck with the first strike having been rotated about 90 degrees and off-center from the final strike.

The scond token is also a Conder token. It is a mule of two dies that were used for oher token series and then later used together to create an anonymous issue for general circulation. The dies were not originally meant to be used together. That is why they have different dates. I'll try and get you more information later.