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1952 TOPPS MANTLE FOR SALE

Item # 5167702940 Man states he purchesed card at a barn auction but check out his last feedback.
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Good for you.
  • LOL just look at sellers other auctions........what a joke, that was some barn sale!
  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭
    I sent the seller this email:

    You didn't buy this at a "barn auction." You just barely bought it for $117.51 from starsforless, as everyone can see from your feedback. I'm sorry you got ripped off in that scam, but don't turn someone else into the victim.

    His reply...

    Good catch! Thanks for letting me know.

    But he hasn't ended the auction.
  • baseballjeffbaseballjeff Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭
    Everyone!

    Let's all e-mail this scammer the same message so he'll realize he's messing with a "group" of people that actually see what he's doing.

    Maybe if we e-mail him A LOT we'll flood his e-mail account. hehehe

    Lets all do something!
  • baseballjeffbaseballjeff Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭
    This is what I sent to the seller. I'll post the responce as soon as I get it. I think we could all use a little laugh here!

    Jeff

    I'd really like to hear more on the story of where you got this card. As you can see from my great feedback score when I want a card, I'll get it. So please tell me the story of this gem so when I win it I can know the full story of this treat. Thanks!
  • baseballjeffbaseballjeff Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭
    Hey everyone,

    This morning I checked my e-mail and I got a responce from the seller!

    Here you go.

    Jeff

    Well I picked up this beauty at a farm auction down in central Florida. My father-in-law is really into yard sales and semi-formal auctions so I went along with him to a few. Actually I just bid $130 and won a box of nearly 5000 mixed baseball and basketball cards. The basketball cards had nothing real special in them, but in the baseball cards I found this and a few others that I am not planning on selling. I must tell you, however, I cannot be for certain whether or not this card is real, but it looks good to me and I did find a few others that I am getting graded my beckett as we speak. Ever since them I'm on and off ebay selling and buying.
  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭
    Funny, he doesn't say in the auction that he "can't be certain whether or not the card is real." A minor detail, I guess.

    Thus one of the low-feedback newbie bidders will buy it, discover they've been screwed, and then use some variation of the "barn sale" pitch to screw someone else and get some of their money back. Just as this newbie is doing. I wonder how many times this Mantle reprint has been resold in the past year, how many naive hearts broken along the way, how many scam victims turned into scammers.

    Bizarre how he sticks to the barn sale story even though his last feedback shows he recently bought it on eBay for $117.51. No talent at all as a con man.
  • lostdart58lostdart58 Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭
    I sent him an email to him also regarding his recent purchase of both the Mantle and the Gouday Ruth..............NO response...
    Collector of:Baseball
    1955 Bowman Raw complete with 90% Ex-NR or better

    Now seeking 1949 Eureka Sportstamps...NM condition
    Working on '78 Autographed set now 99.9% complete -
    Working on '89 Topps autoed set now complete


  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭
    Actually, ALL of his "barn sale" finds were bought recently on eBay, mostly from sellers who use in the disclaimer: "It doesn't say reprint anywhere on the card, but I'm selling it as a reprint." So he does know what he's doing. He'll probably lose money (he paid too much for obvious repros for which the sellers used disclaimers), but that doesn't excuse even more blatant fraud on his part. Auction numbers sent to eBay for investigation.
  • baseballjeffbaseballjeff Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭
    Hey Everyone,

    Would it be stupid to e-mail him again and attach a link to this thread? I wanted everyone's input before I go and open the door for a clown and bring him where we all like to hang out. Probably not, right?

    Jeff
  • lostdart58lostdart58 Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭
    Well......at least now he has added a disclaimer to his auctions..........in small print!!
    Collector of:Baseball
    1955 Bowman Raw complete with 90% Ex-NR or better

    Now seeking 1949 Eureka Sportstamps...NM condition
    Working on '78 Autographed set now 99.9% complete -
    Working on '89 Topps autoed set now complete


  • baseballjeffbaseballjeff Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭
    I am happy to see he added that disclaimer. I e-mailed him again last night and I think I got him to feel a little bad. Tell me what you all think to what I said. And, no I didn't attach a link to the message boards.

    Jeff

    "Hey there, Just so you know. This card is not real, nor are the other "great" cards you have for sale. I really hope for the good of the hobby you don't go through and sell these fakes. Someone bidding on these will be a newbie and if they get hosed on ebay like this odd's are they'll never want to bid on ebay again, and never buy a baseball card again. Do everyone, and yourself a favor and don't sell fakes. If you insist, then get them graded buy PSA and then you'll make a lot of money if PSA slabs them. Thank you for your time, and I really hope you find it in yourself to not hose someone not familure to the hobby."
  • lostdart58lostdart58 Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I am happy to see he added that disclaimer. I e-mailed him again last night and I think I got him to feel a little bad. Tell me what you all think to what I said. And, no I didn't attach a link to the message boards.

    Jeff

    >>



    Sorry Jeff, but this BOZO doesn't feel bad. He has now changed his feedback to "private" He doesn't want anyone else to catch his lies..........but he hasn't made the bidders' private. I guess the bidders can still be contacted and told they are buying REPRINTS.
    Collector of:Baseball
    1955 Bowman Raw complete with 90% Ex-NR or better

    Now seeking 1949 Eureka Sportstamps...NM condition
    Working on '78 Autographed set now 99.9% complete -
    Working on '89 Topps autoed set now complete


  • That disclaimer he posted is BS too. IMO, he still isn't taking responsibility for the fact that he knows it's fake.

    Zach
    Zach
  • MorrellManMorrellMan Posts: 3,238 ✭✭✭
    His disclaimer says he'll "put it in plain english"....swell idea, sport.
    Mark (amerbbcards)


    "All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
  • MorrellManMorrellMan Posts: 3,238 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I sent the seller this email:

    You didn't buy this at a "barn auction." You just barely bought it for $117.51 from starsforless, as everyone can see from your feedback. I'm sorry you got ripped off in that scam, but don't turn someone else into the victim.

    His reply...

    Good catch! Thanks for letting me know.

    But he hasn't ended the auction. >>



    No, instead he's made his feedback private. What an a**hole!
    Mark (amerbbcards)


    "All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
  • baseballjeffbaseballjeff Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭
    So.... why don't we make a generic e-bay account and bid a million bucks on each of his auctions? Is there anyway to do that? And than this ebay account will be property of the Collectors Universe Message Boards! Think about it, we could be our group fighting crime on e-bay!

    I think it's a great idea!
  • lostdart58lostdart58 Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭
    The saga continues...........

    I emailed the high bidders on each of his three REPRINT auctions.....telling the "buyers" that they are bidding on not genuine articles. One high bidder has cancelled his bid.

    Further it appears that there is a "shill" bidder on two of his auctions.

    This BOZO won't give up!!! LMAO
    Collector of:Baseball
    1955 Bowman Raw complete with 90% Ex-NR or better

    Now seeking 1949 Eureka Sportstamps...NM condition
    Working on '78 Autographed set now 99.9% complete -
    Working on '89 Topps autoed set now complete


  • MorrellManMorrellMan Posts: 3,238 ✭✭✭
    Am I mistaken? This auction is at $110.00 with only one retracted bid. Wasn't this thing at $15,000 this morning?
    Mark (amerbbcards)


    "All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
  • thats an entirely different auction you are refering to...

    heres the link to the one you are refering to...

    link to auction
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  • MorrellManMorrellMan Posts: 3,238 ✭✭✭
    geez, that's disgusting...
    Mark (amerbbcards)


    "All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
  • pcpc Posts: 743


    << <i>geez, that's disgusting... >>



    actually it isnt disgusting.
    bids over 15,000 USD have to be verified
    or a CC needs to be on file. it's an ebay
    condom with a prik in it!
    Money is your ticket to freedom.
  • baseballjeffbaseballjeff Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭
    It's getting closer to the end of this hose bags auctions. Anything we can do?
  • lostdart58lostdart58 Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It's getting closer to the end of this hose bags auctions. Anything we can do? >>



    Email the high bidders telling them to not waste their money...........retract their bids.
    Collector of:Baseball
    1955 Bowman Raw complete with 90% Ex-NR or better

    Now seeking 1949 Eureka Sportstamps...NM condition
    Working on '78 Autographed set now 99.9% complete -
    Working on '89 Topps autoed set now complete


  • I would like to send this in to GEM... I'm sure it will come back as a 10. LOL.... If you ask the seller a question using ebay's ask the seller a question link. Souldn't the reply's also show up on the auction front page? I see that it's over $200 now. Mrcardsniper
  • lostdart58lostdart58 Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I would like to send this in to GEM... I'm sure it will come back as a 10. LOL.... If you ask the seller a question using ebay's ask the seller a question link. Souldn't the reply's also show up on the auction front page? I see that it's over $200 now. Mrcardsniper >>



    The question and reply will only show if the seller so wishes.
    Collector of:Baseball
    1955 Bowman Raw complete with 90% Ex-NR or better

    Now seeking 1949 Eureka Sportstamps...NM condition
    Working on '78 Autographed set now 99.9% complete -
    Working on '89 Topps autoed set now complete


  • baseballjeffbaseballjeff Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭
    Argh!

    This guy is going to make so much $$$ on crap!
  • baseballjeffbaseballjeff Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭
    Oh my gosh! The fake Mantle is over $500!

    This guy is really really really, dumb!

  • lostdart58lostdart58 Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭
    The Mantle went for $1800 + !!!

    I emailed the buyer and told him he was buying a fake. I gave him a link to the auction where the D*rtBag seller had bought the reprint for $150.00. I hope the buyer comes to his senses!!

    Perhaps others here could also clue in the buyer. Go to the auction and click on the buyers name. At his feedback page press the button CONTACT MEMBER
    Collector of:Baseball
    1955 Bowman Raw complete with 90% Ex-NR or better

    Now seeking 1949 Eureka Sportstamps...NM condition
    Working on '78 Autographed set now 99.9% complete -
    Working on '89 Topps autoed set now complete


  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭
    I dunno. I have contacted many newbies and dumbasses to tell them they were walking into a scam. They wore me out. Half the time I think the high bidder was actually the seller using other accounts to bid it up. Maybe you have to get royally reamed before you really learn.
  • lostdart58lostdart58 Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I dunno. I have contacted many newbies and dumbasses to tell them they were walking into a scam. They wore me out. Half the time I think the high bidder was actually the seller using other accounts to bid it up. Maybe you have to get royally reamed before you really learn. >>




    jrdolan,

    I agree that we cannot save all newbie EBAYERS from getting scammed...............but heck, we spend enough time here on-line that spending 30 seconds enlightening those less fortunate then us seems like a good thing to do..........Perhaps it will gain us better Karma with the Card Collecting Gods.

    This SCAMMER seller also had a 33 Gouday Ruth for sale. I was able to convince the buyer not to buy the card. I have had no responce from the mantle buyer.

    Collector of:Baseball
    1955 Bowman Raw complete with 90% Ex-NR or better

    Now seeking 1949 Eureka Sportstamps...NM condition
    Working on '78 Autographed set now 99.9% complete -
    Working on '89 Topps autoed set now complete


  • baseballjeffbaseballjeff Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭
    I have to agree with lostdart58. It takes a mere 30 seconds to send a warning off. At least we tried! The thing is, if we educate these newbies we'll make a more knowledgeable collector out of them, they will see there are in fact many series collectors out there, and lastly, it will just show more respect to the wonderful world of third party gradders. Ie... PSA.

    Jeff
  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭
    You're right. I'm all for good karma, not to mention good mojo. Maybe when I'm not so tired of jousting with scummy scammers and scammy scummers, I'll take some more whacks. Meantime, you guys with energy, keep it up!
  • lostdart58lostdart58 Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭
    UPDATE: (if anyone cares).........Winner of said auction WOULD not pay and was given negative feedback by buyer.........

    Oh what a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive.................



    The bad news is......seller has both the Mantle and the Ruth up for sale
    AGAIN

    Collector of:Baseball
    1955 Bowman Raw complete with 90% Ex-NR or better

    Now seeking 1949 Eureka Sportstamps...NM condition
    Working on '78 Autographed set now 99.9% complete -
    Working on '89 Topps autoed set now complete


  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭
    Now the bidders are hidden in addition to his own (poor) feedback. If the collecting community is lucky most of the bidding is just himself, masturbating on eBay.

    At least he's not telling the "barn sale" story this time. That must have been pretty embarrassing, for his feedback to show his "barn sale" cards were just barely purchased as reprints on eBay. No wonder he's made everything private!
  • Do you guys realize what idiots you are? You think this forum can't be found? Heh, I've been watching this thing forever now..

    Ebay has been notified that you are messing up my sales, and they have cross-referenced you with the emails you sent me, and the emails you posted here. I'm still in the process of finalizing the investigation with ebay, so expect some emails sooner or later. Did you think I was that dumb? Oh Jeff btw, thanks for the link. It has been a blast watching you all waste your lives complaining about something that will eventually happen. Crime fighting on ebay! WHEW!! Man you guys are too much. All you have ben doing is breaking ebay policy. I've contacted ebay and seems like I'm ligit.. whether the cards are real or not. I did forget the disclaimer to begin with, thanks for the reminder. Oh Jeff, I did know that was you who sent the emails about where I got the card... I figured "you needed a good laugh".

    In short, all I'm trying to say is, in the end... I win... you lose. Thanks for entertaining me this past week or so... You guys are too much!

    NOW FLAME, FLAME AWAY MY LOVLIES!!!!


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  • JonBJonB Posts: 495
    LMAO, this should make for some really good reading in the next few hours/days to come...
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  • He said "Heh".

    -Al
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    whether the cards are real or not. I did forget the disclaimer to begin with, thanks for the reminder.


    you creep.
    Good for you.
  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Do you guys realize what idiots you are? >>



    i realize what an idiot, thief you are.. and that you should be repeatedly beaten in the face with coaxial cable..
    ·p_A·
  • "Authenticity Disclaimers

    Sellers may not disclaim knowledge of, or responsibility for, the authenticity or legality of the items offered in their listings.

    Sellers should take steps to satisfy themselves that their items are authentic before listing them on eBay. If you cannot verify the authenticity of an item, do not list it.

    The following examples violate eBay's Authenticity Disclaimer Policy:
    "I cannot guarantee the authenticity of this item, so please bid accordingly."
    "Vintage Handbag Chanel???"
    Warning:
    The repeated use of authenticity disclaimers could result in the ending of your listings and possible suspension from eBay. "






    Authenticity disclaimers
  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭
    yeah he's full of $h!t about "Ebay has been notified that you are messing up my sales, and they have cross-referenced you with the emails you sent me, and the emails you posted here.

    probably not even the same dude.. just somebody with a new CU account wanting to stir up $h!t..
    ·p_A·
  • Let the attorney general and lawyers handle this misfit selling reprint's for legit cards.
  • A761506A761506 Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭
    Oh wow.... this fantastic drama nearly got lost in the shuffle of the registry forum... I love it when we get an angry 52 Mantle seller in here telling us that he is winning some delusional battle and he is not in violation of eBay rules, therefore, he can freely scam someone with no recourse just by mentioning that the card may not be real, but doesn't say reprint anywhere on it. And if his winning bidder neglects to pay for the counterfeit card they would be winning, they deserve immediate negative feedback, and should gratutiously be accused of being a shill bidder. I don't quite understand how the buyer could be a shill bidder if they only bid once in the auction and it was the winning bid???

    I really don't know how eBay continues to let this crap go on, private bidders should be reserved exclusively for specific types of auctions where it is actually logical, and private feedback should be eliminated entirely. One day auctions need to be tossed completely as well. That would put an end to nearly all counterfeit card scams.
  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭


    << <i>I'm still in the process of finalizing the investigation with ebay, so expect some emails sooner or later. >>


    A silly lie. He's the one in trouble with eBay. This is his way of sticking his tongue out and saying "Nyah, nyah, I told on you guys too."



    << <i>Did you think I was that dumb? >>


    If there was any doubt before, there isn't now.
  • NickMNickM Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭
    He's NARU. Such a shame it happened before I got his contact information and made it public.

    Nick
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  • coachhcoachh Posts: 529
    Is he back????

    New scammer
  • lostdart58lostdart58 Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Is he back????

    New scammer >>




    YES He is BACK!! LMAO..........same two cards with the same scans.........


    If you are reading this Mr lmnjssc AKA blaclabl your train has been slowed down again..........you may be back on the tracks but do not count on staying on.

    Sorry but there will be no beer money between unemployment checks.
    Collector of:Baseball
    1955 Bowman Raw complete with 90% Ex-NR or better

    Now seeking 1949 Eureka Sportstamps...NM condition
    Working on '78 Autographed set now 99.9% complete -
    Working on '89 Topps autoed set now complete


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