Guess the grade on this 1930 SLQ - Grade revealed

JxnBoy

I've revealed the grade of the TPG lower in the thread.





I'll reveal the grade later on.

ER

65, WAG.

Numismanic

MS64 FH

Stuart

MS-64 -- Very close to FH if not...

GaCoinGuy

65FH is my wild guess...pretty coin.

Nocerino18

MS64 FH NGC

vega1

ANACS 64 FH

pretty in any case

Elcontador

Lighting is a problem. I'll assume that what appears to be lack of detail on the eagle's wings is due to imaging. If you want a FH coin, avoid this one. Though the 3 sprigs are clearly visible, there's a flat spot and the face appears to blend into the hairline just to the viewer's rt. of where the ear hole should be and IMO, is not. If I can't see a clearly defined ear hole, it's not a FH coin, I don't care what the slab says.

IMO, there are just enough tick marks to preclude an MS 65 grade. The 30P is THE type coin of the fully dressed version of the SLQ. The strike is nothing special, though part of this could be the lighting. While an Unc. is typically missing the rivulet below the sash, the two rivulets below the sash are not visible and the one below that is barely there.

The inner shield is softly struck. You should be able to find a 30P with a complete inner shield without too many problems if you are patient. It may be the lighting, but I do not see the drapery above Miss Liberty's right knee boldly struck, and ditto re the rt. knee. I like to see Miss Liberty's right leg look like she has been pumping iron. These coins are out there, but this is not one of them.

To sum it up, the coin isn't bad, but it's nothing exceptional. It might 4, not FH on a good day, but I think you can find a nicer one for the grade.

JxnBoy

I agree that my lighting could be better. Although I use a copystand, my lighting positions could be tweaked, and my camera doesn't really have great macro capability. Either way, I'm working to improve my imaging skills but it's not easy.

Anyway, Elcontador, I truly appreciate your detailed response. I can tell you have a strong appreciation for the series. As far as buying or not buying, I already own it. But it's on the only 1930 I own either. It was just what I though was a cheap buy and nice coin for the money, and since it's my favorite series, well, you get the picture.

I agree that this isn't the most decently struck coin for this date and mintmark. And the 1930 as most SLQ collectors know is the easiest coin to find in FH in the whole series, save perhaps a 1917 P type 1. The shield's not struck up that well either, as Elcontador points out.

I do think the fields are very clean though. I'll let this go till this evening and reveal the grade/holder.

mathprof

64FH

Russ

AU58.

Russ, NCNE

Cam40

64
nice coin.

Bear

MS 65FH( Not a terribly strong FH though)

lordmarcovan

Count me with those who said MS64 FH.

itsnotjustme

NGC MS64FH

1946Hamm

MS-63, Not that good a strike and not a FH to me but the TPG probably says it is.

ms70

65FH

1907Quarter

going with Russ on this-58, the leg bothers me. Of course with the era of market grading I'm thinking it could be loosely slabbed as 64.

Merc

Your picture is too cloudy. It could be anything from an AU58 to a MS65.

Crazy4Coins

I'd give it a 65 FH. I'm comparing it to my 64 FH

JxnBoy

Less compression, larger photo.

coinguy1

While there is obvious "stacking friction" on the leg, that often appears, even on MS66 examples. And, since I don't detect obvious wear on other areas, I think those who graded it AU are being too tough (even if it turns out they're correct).

The luster looks a bit subdued and the detail on Liberty's head could be better, but it still meets the FH criteria, in my book.

All things considered, it looks 64FH to me, but, partly to be different, I'm going with MS63 FH as my "final answer".

100proof1957

64 no FH

Russ

<< <i>going with Russ on this-58 >>



That's probably a bad move.

Russ, NCNE

tmot99

It would be a 65 FH in my book but get's a point off for weak strike. Therefore, 64FH.

lazeroo

64

JxnBoy

Well, here it is.


Typically graded well, or even undergraded, it's an old first-gen Green Label PCI slab.

Interestingly, I think most people voted for 64 on this coin, which is what I'd call it. I think the fields and devices are clean enough for a 65, but the strike is just not good enough, especially for this date, for a 65. It meets my criteria for a minimum full head, too. There's enough separation on the hairline (which is really the only questionable area on this coin) from the face for me to say FH. A bit more blending of the hairline into the face would be a non-FH coin.

It's here to stay in my collection so we won't be seeing what PCGS, ANACS or NGC would grade it. PCI's old grade, and my own skills are enough for me to keep it where it's at, especially since I'm not selling.

Thanks everyone for taking a look.

Cam40

and a pci graded coin. thats a bit of a surprise.
wtg mark for nailing the grade.

Cam40

It's here to stay in my collection so we won't be seeing what PCGS, ANACS or NGC would grade it. PCI's old grade, and my own skills are enough for me to keep it where it's at, especially since I'm not selling.
to add. great to see someone satisfied with `tha grade` and or brand of plastic the coin is in.
its a really nice coin regardless of all the other things about it.
nice to have a breath of fresh air blow through occasionally.

100proof1957

I think there is a pretty dang good bunch or graders round here !

the AVG was about 64 FH and that aint bad from pix !

JxnBoy

I too was surprised at how consistent the guesses were on this one.

ms70

PQ?

JxnBoy

<< <i>PQ? >>



I don't know that much history of PCI's grading, but according to the site K6AZ had (or still has - I can't find it), this was the early days of PCI's grading, and they must have used PQ on their liner coins like a 63.8 or something. I've not seen this grade designation on any other coins, actually. I think these days all PCI coins are PQ.

Russ

<< <i>but according to the site K6AZ had (or still has - I can't find it), this was the early days of PCI's grading >>



Click here.

Russ, NCNE

JxnBoy

<< <i>

<< <i>but according to the site K6AZ had (or still has - I can't find it), this was the early days of PCI's grading >>



Click here.

Russ, NCNE >>



Thanks. I hadn't seen that site in a while, and Eric used to have it at in the index of his pages. Either way, he actually mentions the "PQ" designation, which I didn't remember.