OK, I bought that 58-D Jefferson. Pics!
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<< <i>Ain't worth a dime.
my initial thought is that it's a proof, but it can't be because it's a "D" Mint coin. if the luster is nice it should easily grade MS66FS, with strong booming luster it should holder at MS67FS, but my hunch is 66.
al h.
Cameron Kiefer
don't beat yourself up, PCGS can't really grade them-------------------sometimes!!!!
al h.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
<< <i>Is there a bridge in the steps? >>
I'll need some help on this, as I don't know the term.
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<< <i>Is there a bridge in the steps? >>
I'll need some help on this, as I don't know the term. >>
Under the third pillar from the left look to see if the line breaks/merges between steps 2 and 3 from the top. If the last step 6th is complete it does not matter but the 6th step looks a little weak so you may not be able to get FS with a merge in any of the upper steps.
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<< <i>Is there a bridge in the steps? >>
I'll need some help on this, as I don't know the term. >>
Under the third pillar from the left look to see if the line breaks/merges between steps 2 and 3 from the top. If the last step 6th is complete it does not matter but the 6th step looks a little weak so you may not be able to get FS with a merge in any of the upper steps. >>
There is no bridge and all steps are complete!
When i first looked at the coin... I liked it alot. Then I noticed what others have stated about the questionable greenish (in my pic I see) toning (that I wonder if it could be contamination or PVC)...
I also agree with Clakamas... if there is bridging at the 3rd pilar, then the possibility (I say posibility because even PCGS gets it wrong from time to time) exists that the coin wouldn't be designated as Full Steps.
Also, what others haven't stated so far is... the 58-D is known for having alot of 5 step coins (1 out of 10) for that date and mintmark... but 6 step coins are considered to be "very rare" as Nagengast describes.
He also states: "Rolls of this date are either very nice and flashy, or very poor, although enough of the issueis nice that finding gem full strike coins is not too difficult. The 58D is an anomoly for late D-mints in that six step coins are avaiable with suprising frequency."
Also, average prices I've seen for PCGS graded coins are as follows:
MS65FS - $18 low/$100.11(very toned) high with an average of $39.12
MS66FS - $65.55(low)/$230 (don't ask me why) high with an average of $98.28
If you got the raw coin for a few dollars... then I still like it. If the seller of the coin sold it you you for over $20... take it back... you can find others cheaper...
I hope this helps!
Steve
In memory of the USAF Security Forces lost: A1C Elizabeth N. Jacobson, 9/28/05; SSgt Brian McElroy, 1/22/06; TSgt Jason Norton, 1/22/06; A1C Lee Chavis, 10/14/06; SSgt John Self, 5/14/07; A1C Jason Nathan, 6/23/07; SSgt Travis Griffin, 4/3/08; 1Lt Joseph Helton, 9/8/09; SrA Nicholas J. Alden, 3/3/2011. God Bless them and all those who have lost loved ones in this war. I will never forget their loss.
<< <i>If you got the raw coin for a few dollars... then I still like it. If the seller of the coin sold it you you for over $20... take it back... you can find others cheaper... >>
I got the whole year set for half of that!
you need to give us a worded description of the coin to aleviate some of our anxious anticipation. i'll help by leading you through it, just cut/paste and fill in the answers.
1. How strong is the luster??
2. Are there any noticeable luster breaks, especially next to the obverse portrait??
3. What is the nature of the obverse color??
4. Is that a bridge at steps 3-4 under the third pillar??
5. Directly above the dome and below the steps it appears that there are signs of die fatigue. Is that what it is??
6. With the coin in hand and no loupe, how noticeable are the rim ticks and the light contacts on the reverse??
7. How strong is the overall strike??
al h.
Ken, those steps look hammered!
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
<< <i>hey Ben
you need to give us a worded description of the coin to aleviate some of our anxious anticipation. i'll help by leading you through it, just cut/paste and fill in the answers.
1. How strong is the luster??
2. Are there any noticeable luster breaks, especially next to the obverse portrait??
3. What is the nature of the obverse color??
4. Is that a bridge at steps 3-4 under the third pillar??
5. Directly above the dome and below the steps it appears that there are signs of die fatigue. Is that what it is??
6. With the coin in hand and no loupe, how noticeable are the rim ticks and the light contacts on the reverse??
7. How strong is the overall strike??
al h.
1. Very strong.
2. No.
3. Silvery lustre.
4. No.
5. Not that I can see.
6. Rim ticks can be seen if coin is rotated. Again, the contact marks are seen only in certain positions as the coin is rotated.
7. There is some weakness at the jawline as seen with a loupe.
Sorry this takes so long. I'm working with just one wing!
With that said, it's off to PCGS in the morning for express service. Win or lose, it's worth it to me!........
armed with those answers i'll stick with my initial MS66FS as a no doubt lock and a legitimate shot at MS67FS.
my experience with many coins is similar in that they don't photograph real well at the hands of inexperienced photographers, you know, guys like me and you!!!
please keep us posted on the grade assigned. MS67FS is a pop 6 currently.
al h.
I still think MS65FS... as long as the toning on the obverse and the line under Monticello are both the picture and not the coin. Al... the 1% rule applies here.
I wait for the grade post.
Steve
In memory of the USAF Security Forces lost: A1C Elizabeth N. Jacobson, 9/28/05; SSgt Brian McElroy, 1/22/06; TSgt Jason Norton, 1/22/06; A1C Lee Chavis, 10/14/06; SSgt John Self, 5/14/07; A1C Jason Nathan, 6/23/07; SSgt Travis Griffin, 4/3/08; 1Lt Joseph Helton, 9/8/09; SrA Nicholas J. Alden, 3/3/2011. God Bless them and all those who have lost loved ones in this war. I will never forget their loss.
Looks like nice luster underneath the toning. The steps look nice. I would guess shot 6. The only question I have about the steps is under pillar 4 (last pillar on the right) steps 5/6. It looks like the step line may not "go all the way" but it may only be the angle of the picture.
In general the 58D is available in a nice full strike obverse/reverse. 5 step coins are relatively common (by that I mean that you should be able to obtain a MS65 5 step or better coin without too much time or effort). A search of ebay/teletrade would bear this out. The 58D is also the easiest of any date in the 50's to obtain in 6 steps. There are only a few dates in the 50's that I believe are available in 6 steps (50D, 51D, 56P, 57P, 58PD, and 59P) but the 58D is by far the easiest.
Nice coin. Hope it is 6 steps.
RayOverby
The Ludlow Brilliant Collection (1938-64)