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RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
The image showed a DCAM half dollar, and sure enough it is a DCAM!

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Can't always see those nasty milk spots in a proof set image, though! The reverse is also DCAM - and also milk spotted.

SPLAT!

Russ, NCNE

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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Milk... does a body good
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  • F117ASRF117ASR Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭
    Can't NCS take care of it?
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Can't NCS take care of it? >>



    No.

    Russ, NCNE
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  • nankrautnankraut Posts: 4,565 ✭✭✭
    Russ: If this coin was mint sealed, what made it milk-spot so badly? Poor/incomplete rinsing @ the mint? Such a shame!image
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  • ddbirdddbird Posts: 3,168 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Perhaps, you can give it to a YN? >>



    Im always accepting image
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Poor/incomplete rinsing @ the mint? >>



    Yep, that is the cause of milk spots. They're a big problem with sets up through 1964 and, because of the insane production levels at the mint that year, 1964 is the worst.

    Russ, NCNE
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    That windshield got plenty of bug on it image
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  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,378 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I thought the problem was caused by MadMartha owning the coin before and it being a DCAM????
    He does get a tad excited by them there DCAMs image

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  • RGLRGL Posts: 3,784
    What is strong money for a 1964 proof set? 92 cents? image
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,966 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Milk... does a body good >>



    Yea, but nor for your pocketbook or your collection. Proof coins with many milk spots stink even if they have great cameos! image
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  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777
    Do you have a link to the ebay auction?
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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What a shame- his face is jumping off that coin.
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    I think the point Russ it trying to make, there are many people who will risk spending HUGE money on proof and SMS sets on E-Bay. Example the $125 1965 SMS set. That is just STUPID!! If the coin is only a 65CAM after grading fees and the price you paid your taking it up the wazoo! The chances of getting a home run are a lot slimmer than the chances of getting a DOG... Woof woof!!!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,652 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with you 100%, Marty... unless I'm the one selling the set. image


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  • << <i>I think the point Russ it trying to make, there are many people who will risk spending HUGE money on proof and SMS sets on E-Bay. Example the $125 1965 SMS set. That is just STUPID!! If the coin is only a 65CAM after grading fees and the price you paid your taking it up the wazoo! The chances of getting a home run are a lot slimmer than the chances of getting a DOG... Woof woof!!! >>



    Well, folks, the $130 1965 SMS arrived yesterday. And it is indeed a dog:

    imageimage

    Needless to say, I will be returning it. Even if it were not spotted, mirrors were probably not there for DCAM, although hard to tell thru the cello.

    Franky, I was shocked the bidding went that high, I thought I would get it for $60 to $70. But apparently two underbidders thought it was worth a shot at over $100 as well. image

    From the scan it looked like a possible DCAM, and the 65's are scarce as hen's teeth -- so took a shot at it. It will be interesting to see how Russ fares with this one:Link
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Needless to say, I will be returning it. >>



    Coinhusker1,

    You're returning a coin that was sold in a 99 cent no reserve auction where no represention was made that it was a DCAM, where the image of the obverse clearly showed the spotting, and no reverse image was provided - and you voluntarily drove it up to over $125? You ain't going to like this, but you're dead wrong. You should take your licks like a man.

    Russ, NCNE
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭


    << <i>You should take your licks like a man. >>



    You have been hanging around on the open forum again, haven't you...image
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • spy88spy88 Posts: 764 ✭✭
    Russ, if you have nothing to lose on the Kennedy, this might be worth a try. I know it worked for me on the one I did for the thread tho the pic is now gone.
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    << <i>Needless to say, I will be returning it. >>



    Coinhusker1,

    You're returning a coin that was sold in a 99 cent no reserve auction where no represention was made that it was a DCAM, where the image of the obverse clearly showed the spotting, and no reverse image was provided - and you voluntarily drove it up to over $125? You ain't going to like this, but you're dead wrong. You should take your licks like a man.

    Russ, NCNE >>



    Gimme a break. You would have returned it too.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Gimme a break. You would have returned it too. >>



    No, I wouldn't have. I have never returned a raw coin or set won in a no reserve auction in which I made the decision to bid stupid money - including the one that I posted this thread about. I accept responsibility for my decisions, even the bad ones.

    The fact is that if you're going to play this game you have to be prepared to take, and accept, your lumps.

    Russ, NCNE
  • flaminioflaminio Posts: 5,664 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Gimme a break. You would have returned it too. >>

    I agree with Russ. Returning this item is the height of wuss-dom. If I were the seller, I'd block you from future auctions. eBay is not an approval service.


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    << <i>Gimme a break. You would have returned it too. >>



    No, I wouldn't have. I have never returned a raw coin or set won in a no reserve auction in which I made the decision to bid stupid money - including the one that I posted this thread about. I accept responsibility for my decisions, even the bad ones.

    The fact is that if you're going to play this game you have to be prepared to take, and accept, your lumps.

    Russ, NCNE >>



    OK, had the coin not had spotting obvious thru the cello, there is still significant risk that the coins would have hairlines or other spots that become apparent once you open the cello. And even if the coin appears hairline/spot free, as you know, there is significant risk thereafter of getting a grade making the purchase worth the money. So there were certainly "lumps" I was prepared to take.

    However, with this particular set in hand, it was clear the spots were on it without having to open the cello. So to me, it would seem foolish not to return it.

    Now, the seller has a "no questions asked" return policy. I see no problem with using the return privilege if they offer it. I agree it should not be abused, and I have purchased numerous items from this seller without returning them. So to return this one item in this instance does not trouble me.

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