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Canseco admits to personally injecting Mcgwire with roids

Just heard on ESPN that Canseco has admitted that he personally injected Mcgwire with steroids . Im pretty sure the guy also said during the year he broke the record.

Couldn't find a link yet but it won't be long till one comes out lol

Weren't we just talkning about this on another thread. I remember somebody getting perturbed because Big Macs name was being lumped with other steroid users

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  • Yes they said it was during the record year.

    Jose Can You See, And Then Please Inject Me Link
  • Flash.......he also says he never had sex with Madonna, just made out with her.

    I see Canseco in an infomercial in a few years.

    The "Jose Canseco Juicer/Urine and Blood Sanitizer." The 2 in 1 appliance that guarantees all athletes will get their daily requirement of vitamins from fruits and vegetables.......and ensure they can pass a drug test......all at the same time!

    Order now and you get free the Jose Canseco "Guess the Athlete Roid User's Butt Game" where contestants try to match the players name with the butt picture of players personally injected by Canseco himself (who also was the photographer). Pictures of Madonna's hairy butt sold separately. The player who collects the most dirty syringes wins.



  • kuhlmannkuhlmann Posts: 3,326 ✭✭
    wow even accusing the president of knowing about it. ill buy this book !
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Another game that can be played?

    Stick the needle on the butt of a famous athlete?

    Each book comes with a random fold out of different athlete's rear end....hang it on the wall, and play pin the tail on the donkey, but with a syringe!

    Guaranteed hours and hours of fun for the whole family!
  • This is what Canseco wants posted in regards to his critics:

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  • Pre-buy it at Amazon.com right now for less than 17 dollars - Juiced : Wild Times, Rampant 'Roids, Smash Hits, and How Baseball Got Big and in a few weeks you too can read all the lies he managed to pack into the 288 pages of this fairy tale. He is proof that desparation leads to doing or saying almost anything to survive. It is so sad. image
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  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i> in a few weeks you too can read all the lies he managed to pack into the 288 pages of this fairy tale. He is proof that desparation leads to doing or saying almost anything to survive. >>



    Not defending him, but how do any of us know it's all lies? Have any of us read it? Were any of us privy to any locker rooms?


  • << <i>wow even accusing the president of knowing about it. ill buy this book ! >>



    Just so you know, saying - "Bush must have known about it" and saying - "Bush knew about it" are 2 different things.

    Canseco said the first line, not the 2nd.
  • CardsFanCardsFan Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Not defending him, but how do any of us know it's all lies? Have any of us read it? Were any of us privy to any locker rooms? >>



    There's no way of knowing if he's telling the truth or not, but since he's got a vendetta against the MLB and is a broke ex-con who will do anything for money (auctioning off a day with Jose Canseco) I'm going to choose not to believe what he says until someone more credible backs it up. Here is an interesting article on it from ESPN response to book
  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    I'm confused here ...

    Most baseball fans and mostly everyone who has discussed steroids in baseball on these boards agree that there is a problem. When Giambi admitted use, we all said "we told you so" to the few that would not accept that there is a problem. Then Bonds comes out and says he used steroids unknowingly. Years prior, Caminitti said it was rampant. He died.

    So Canseco is not telling the truth? He has a vendetta?

    Please. Steroids is rampant, and I would have to think that "The Chemist" knows what he is talking about.

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  • CardsFanCardsFan Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭
    I'm not gonna say that steriods aren't rampant, and I will continue to have my beliefs as to which players are on them. However, I feel that Canseco does have an agenda and I'm not going to blindly believe every name he gives because of this. Even with Bonds I tried to believe he was innocent until proven guilty, I assumed he used them but I still held out hope that he was clean and just a product of superior training and supplements.
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i> I feel that Canseco does have an agenda and I'm not going to blindly believe every name he gives because of this. Even with Bonds I tried to believe he was innocent until proven guilty, I assumed he used them but I still held out hope that he was clean and just a product of superior training and supplements. >>



    Canseco may have an agenda, but he's not calling out everyone in baseball on steroids. He didn't quote Sosa, because, as he says 'I didn't play with him'. Maruice Clarett had an agenda, had a beef with Ohio State, and we all know the mess that program is in trying to cover up the years of paying off players.

    I think it's easier to discredit Canseco because he wasn't well liked...because many feel he has an agenda, we feel it easier to trash him. But if you think McGwire got that big on his own, without steroids? You think his medical breakdowns at the end of his career would have happened if he had stayed clean? You admitted to using andro, what else did he experiment with?

    If you look at all the guys that Canseco calls out, you have to look at their huge power numbers...it's the only logical conclusion.
  • CardsFanCardsFan Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭
    I'm not saying for sure that McGwire got that big on his own, but I do think it is possible. He was not a small man to begin with and if your a gym rat with the money to buy all the legal supplements you can put on quite a bit of mass. I am not naive and I'll not say for sure McGwire did not do steriods (injuries and acne hurt his case) but I also will not be 100% convinced he did them because Canseco says he did. Canseco does have an agenda - he threatened the major league that he would write a "tell all" book, because he thought he was black balled... how much more of an agenda can you get.
  • DirtyHarryDirtyHarry Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭
    Canseco is a verified nut case. He couldn't catch a fly ball either.
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  • Sports fans are the most biased people on the face of the earth. If something impunes a player or team you follow or like, you deny it. My whole life the common trait I noticed among sports fans is bias. Big Mac = STEROIDS! Bonds = Steroids! People who can't see it, just don't want to. You will never convince them, heck, you still can't convince some of the Bonds guys even though Bonds has admitted he used them(unknowingly of course, Ha ha ha).

    McGwire had that Andro conveniently placed in his locker so it can be found.....can you say cover? How convenient to let a reporter find it so he now has a supplement, which is legal in baseball at the time, which can account for his Hulk Hogan body! I will always remember seeing Mark McGwire wihtout his shirt in an episode of "Mad About You." Goodness gracious, he was bigger than Hulk Hogan. The only difference between him and Hulk was that he was not as tanned, and he didn't have oil rubbed all over his body to make him look even bigger.

    Canseco isn't saying anything different than Caminiti said, and Caminiti had zero agenda. THe only differnce is that Canseco is naming names, and Caminiti just give a very high percent that were on steroids.

    Every player that Canseco points out will deny it of course. They won't admit it, just like all of the Balco guys strongly denied their use before, until the company got busted.

    WHAT KIND OF EVIDENCE DO WE HAVE:
    Basically we have guys who have lied before who are proven to be on steroids. We have Caminiti who said more than half the guys are on steroids, and we have Canseco saying the same thing, but is giving names. We also had one of Sosa's buddies who was a player who got caught with a bunch of steroids, needles etc...THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL PEOPLE!

    The baseball testing that is being done now will not be able to detect the designer steroids because you need a blood test to detect those. The players association would not allow blood testing. So those people can still take those steroids undectable with urine tests.
  • CardsFanCardsFan Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭
    Skinpinch,
    You are correct about the bias. I just try to keep an innocent until proven guilty frame of mind, no one wants to know their sports heroes are juiced. I won't argue that they aren't juiced but I won't say for sure they are either, unless they admit to it.
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    The funniest thing about all of this is NO player broke any rules by injecting themselves with steroids prior to 2003.

  • NOBODY WILL ADMIT IT, UNLESS THEY ARE CAUGHT....just like the Balco. After a while, they will start to believe their own lies.
  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
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  • CardsFanCardsFan Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭
    Just heard that Roger Maris's son is calling for the MLB to investigate McGwire and Giambi. Wonder if the MLB will do anything, or what they could they do? I don't know why he included Giambi since he already admitted it.
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Investigate and do what?

    They committed no wrongs, even if they did inject themselves daily with it.

    It was not against baseball's rules to take steroids at the time McGwire broke the HR record...


  • << <i>The funniest thing about all of this is NO player broke any rules by injecting themselves with steroids prior to 2003. >>



    Actually, no player broke any MLB rules prior to 2003 by taking steroids in the manner that they did, but they did violate the ridiculous federal law. Steroids (taken without a doctor's prescription for a real medical condition) are treated as Class III felony drugs, (actually Class D) putting them in the same class as cocaine, and crack among others (Could you imagine that). Distribution is treated even more harshly, which one can argue is what Canseco did if his claims are true.

    However, it is unlikely that any of these players will be found guilty given that they are wealthy athletes and due to the statue of limitations. It is very difficult to prove that someone did steroids in 2000 (5 year statue of limitation does not apply) or 2001 (can still be prosecuted). Secondly, it is all a game of "he, said, they said." Although the author of the statements (Canseco) can be telling the truth, his creditability is not the greatest.

    Unless, someone is found in the possession of the steroids, or distributing steroids, charges are unlikely.

    Complicating matters is growth hormone, which is not a steroid. The last time I checked, it was still legal and offered by many "anti-aging centers". It is my own personal belief that many players have abused growth hormone more than they have steroids. Unfortunately, growth hormone is much, much more dangerous than steroids will ever be.
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  • coinandcurrency242coinandcurrency242 Posts: 1,962 ✭✭✭✭
    not surprised

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  • big suprise......I believe Canseco.

    He may exxagerate a bit in his book for publicity but I believe he saw a lot of stuff that most fans so not want to know about their beloved players and stars. The players union blacklisted him because they knew he was gonna start naming players.

    Pretty funny if you really think about it.

    Who out there actually believes that Mcgwire or Bonds has never taken steroids? It's so obvious they did, and now everybody is snitching on them.......I think it is truly funny....
  • DeutscherGeistDeutscherGeist Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭✭
    If none of those players mentioned did steroids then who did? It is already out there that Baseball had rampant steroid usage, so why is it hard to believe certain players did it?

    I think by putting a human face on the percentage that Caminiti has alluded to, gets the fans more emotional. It is easy to accept that 50% of the players were on steroids. But when we say that it most likely was McGwire, Sosa, or Palmeiro, we get upset and deny it. It human perception, and not reality. A lot of players were using steroids--let us not be naive of that.

    Even though Steroids were legal in baseball, no law is superceded by federal laws....or are there exceptions like California's legalization of medical marijuanna (I think that was over turned because it violated federal law).

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  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Think the statute of limitations in regards to the steroids is 5 years.

    I think people get lost in their blind devotion to their players...that their heroes are unfailable.

  • Brian48Brian48 Posts: 2,624 ✭✭✭
    Well, normally I'd try to keep an open mind about this, but it seems Canseco is just grasping at strays in cases just to get notice. He'll throw in names, but no direct assertions or real accusations with any evidience to back it up. The comment about Bush "should have known" (just because he was owner) was just a throw away opinion on his part, but the inclusion of the president's name was all that was needed to gain the desirable effect of notoriety. Now there's implications of Clemens and Sosa using steroids, but the actual text published is not a down right accusation, it's just his opinion.

    example:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_news/story/279973p-239878c.html



    << <i>Of Clemens, a seven-time Cy Young winner who has always denied using illegal performance enhancers, Canseco never says he knows for sure that the Rocket shot up. Canseco writes, "I've never seen Roger Clemens do steroids, and he never told me that he did."

    But he then goes on for two pages about how Clemens said he used the term "B-12 shots" - clubhouse code for steroids, Canseco says - with respect to other players. He then says how he remembers "thinking" that Clemens showed "classic signs" of steroid use, like sudden improvement late in a career.

    Randy Hendricks, one of Clemens' agents, responded angrily today, telling the Daily News: "Neither Roger nor I have seen the book, but any such suggestion is absurd on its face. It's a wonder Canseco didn't name the Pope, given he named President Bush. Roger has not taken any illegal drugs or substances. He has passed all tests and will continue to do so in 2005. In 2004, with stricter testing, he passed the tests and won a record 7th Cy Young Award."

    Canseco is as vague when discussing Sosa as he is with Clemens, again saying that he has no first-hand knowledge that he was juicing. >>


  • Brian48Brian48 Posts: 2,624 ✭✭✭
    doublepost
  • kuhlmannkuhlmann Posts: 3,326 ✭✭
    he will get sued. all money made from this book will goto all the people he is accusing.

    i am not blind to the fact that steroids is a problem. but i dont believe a word of canseco bullsh$t!
  • You have to be very nieve to not believe anything Canseco says.

    He may have an axe to grind, he may exxagerate to sell his book, but this guy KNOWS about steroids and steroid users.

    He was able to see things we cannot possibly imagine in the locker room and they all hate him now because he is a Whistleblower.

    Everybody hates whistleblowers when it affects them (baseball players).

    You know there is some truth to Canseco's accusations because he is man enough to admit his own steroid use to the public (unlike others - Bonds for example).

    I would bet that he would pass a polygraph if he was given one.

    Even so, a lot of people would still not believe him.

    There are a lot of people around here who will NEVER believe any of this no matter how many people come forward and start talking. Even if their were pictures of Mcgwire injecting himself, a lot of people would still not believe it.

    People still defend Bonds despite the overwhelming evidence against him (government records and informants, other athlete's testimony, a longtime mistriss, BALCO founder's testimony and records, etc. etc.)

    Let's face the facts people: Steroids have been a big problem in MLB for atleast the last 15 years and MLB and everyone else turned a blind eye because we all enjoyed the homeruns and the records getting smashed. It was good for business. Now the house of cards comes crashing down and we know the truth....but want to ignore it.

    I believe Canseco.....and all of the other athletes who have come forward and told the truth. It is sad I know...but this is life.
  • Brian48Brian48 Posts: 2,624 ✭✭✭


    << <i>he will get sued. all money made from this book will goto all the people he is accusing.

    i am not blind to the fact that steroids is a problem. but i dont believe a word of canseco bullsh$t! >>



    Well, that's just it. It's VERY difficult to sue for libel since there's several conditions that have to met (ie. proof of malicious intent being one of them). You'll note that in the text I copy/pasted, all of his claims are carefully worded to allow him a backdoor. I have no doubt the entire book was probably written in this way.
  • kuhlmannkuhlmann Posts: 3,326 ✭✭
    what about him personaly shooting up mcgwire. how will he prove that? he is careful what he says about clemens but he was on 60 minutes saying he shot mark up at least twice. isnt that a judgement call right there by a jury his word against marks?
  • Brian48Brian48 Posts: 2,624 ✭✭✭
    Like I said, there's a whole laundry list of criteri that needs to be met before a libal suite can be initiated. I'm not a lawyer, but I believe the hardest thing that McGuire needs to prove (and the burden of proof IS on McGuire at this moment), is malicious intent and "proof" of damage. Both of which is very hard to prove, nevermind the he-said, she-said stuff.
  • CardsFanCardsFan Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭
    I don't get the whole "sticking needles into other people thing". The reports that he injected McGwire, McGwire and Giambi were injecting each other. I've never taken, or seen someone take steriods but why would you let someone else do it and not just do it yourself?
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Why do people insist on saying Canseco is going to be sued? The burden of proof will be on the person being accused to show they didn't inject steroids, and that is next to impossible to prove.

    Anyone who thinks Canseco is lying is naive at best, blind to the truth at worst.

    Canseco obviously was privy to a world of steroids and baseball we will never be (thankfully), and while he may have an agenda against baseball, that doesn't mean his accusations aren't true.
  • kuhlmannkuhlmann Posts: 3,326 ✭✭
    some people cant stick themselves with a needle. physce thing i guess, others can. common in the wwe wcw era.
  • Canseco will NOT get sued by one of these athletes, simply because none of them will want to go to court, because then THEY will go to jail for lying. Believe me, NONE of these guys want to be in court.
  • kuhlmannkuhlmann Posts: 3,326 ✭✭
    how are they gonna put them in jail for lying?? mcgwire if he did do them. 7 years later they can test him. sorry wont happen. the balco boys there is evidence against. mcgwire canseco is he said she said crap! cant convict on an opionion.
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