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  • goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭
    real.

    I don't think you would buy one if you thought it was AT.
  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sure looks like the real deal to me- nice coin Eric.
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  • BigGreekBigGreek Posts: 1,090 ✭
    I don't think its real. Sorry.
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  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭


    << <i>I don't think its real. Sorry. >>



    And your basis for this conclusion?
  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    I like it, and think it's real....
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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,290 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks right to me also; either way very prettyimage

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  • BigGreekBigGreek Posts: 1,090 ✭
    I don't like the way to tone comes across the coin from
    around 2 o'clock on the rev. Looks a like heat was applied.
    The band running from 10:30 to 3:30 look pretty good though.
    I'm certainly not an expert. What are your thoughts?
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  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    It's ok
  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    ........and no heat was applied
  • morganbarbermorganbarber Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭
    very real. Quite nice.
    I collect circulated U.S. silver
  • ChuckCChuckC Posts: 1,600
    I've seen enough slabbed toner morgans of similar stature on this forum to know that yours is NT baby! Technical grade? what do you guys think? 63? 64?
  • morganbarbermorganbarber Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭
    High end 63 (IMHO)
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  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭


    << <i>I don't like the way to tone comes across the coin from
    around 2 o'clock on the rev. Looks a like heat was applied.
    The band running from 10:30 to 3:30 look pretty good though.
    I'm certainly not an expert. What are your thoughts? >>



    First of all, goose was right. I would never buy a raw coin unless I was certain it was the real thing.

    This seller has poor lighting and compensated for it by over exposing the images. The pattern you see on the reverse is a true rainbow due to bag toning. This coin appears to be at least MS63. When I get it I'll post nice large images of it.
  • ERER Posts: 7,345 ✭
    Nice snag, Eric. I'm gonna disagree with you, 64.image
  • uofa1285uofa1285 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭
    NT all day long...PQ too!

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  • Coinhusker1Coinhusker1 Posts: 3,560 ✭
    Real, bag toned.
  • zkcoinszkcoins Posts: 1,754
    I'm with you on the NT. It looks nice and legit to me!!
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  • wam98wam98 Posts: 2,685 ✭
    Looks real enough to me, but what do I know. I will say 63 at PCGS. Nice coin. image
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  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭
    Real, no one would fake toning just on the reverse.
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  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭
    I assume its real because I can't imagine that the value of an 1888 Morgan in MS63 would be greatly enhanced by artificially toning it in a way that is attractive but hardly monstrous.


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  • coppercoinscoppercoins Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭
    It's a real coin.

    Bag toning.

    MS63 at best.
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  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    Real toning- MS62. I just one with about the same look for about $65 in an NGC holder MS62. mike image
  • ibzman350ibzman350 Posts: 5,315 ✭
    "Looks a like heat was applied."

    If heat was applied both sides of coin would show toning, correct???


    Nice find Eric, I'm gonna call that a 63.
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  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    The best way to find out what heat will do is try yourself and do a few expriments and I think if you try you could get toning only on one side. mike image
  • LittleBitOEverythingLittleBitOEverything Posts: 288
    NT....image
    putting together a MS 60 and up Morgan set....60% complete...otlher 40% probably take the rest of the decade!
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,964 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I vote real, but I don't think that it is the type of toning pattern that convinces people to pay a insane money. image
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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's real and pretty piece. I was watching it, but just never felt like bidding. So Eric, you owe me for the money I saved you (unless whatever random numbers I punched in would have meant I won image)
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  • clevegregclevegreg Posts: 909 ✭
    It's as real as they get.

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  • KurtHornKurtHorn Posts: 1,382 ✭
    Definetly NT all the way...
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  • BigGreekBigGreek Posts: 1,090 ✭
    I obviously have alot to learn in this area. How does bag toning form?
    Is it formed because a part f the coin comes into contact with the bag?
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  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭


    << <i>I obviously have alot to learn in this area. How does bag toning form?
    Is it formed because a part f the coin comes into contact with the bag? >>



    That, or very close to the bag. There was a great detailed explanation posted here sometime back, but I can't recall the link. If you go to the search here, try bag toning or bag toned and select title or body and you should have plenty to read.
  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,244 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Is it (bag toning) formed because a part of the coin comes into contact with the bag?

    Yes. A key question for the prospective purchaser to answer for himself or herself when looking at a Morgan that purports to have gotten its toning from being in a mint bag for many years (NT) is,

    "Is the shape of the perimeter of the toning pattern consistent with the coin's having gotten its toning while in a mint bag?"

    If one sees "straightness" on the perimeter of the toning pattern that indicates to the prospective purchaser that the coin's toning was gotten in some way other than its being in a mint bag.

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  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    Looks real to me.
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  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭
    The classic toning thread is by rob790 (who does not post enough, IMO), and keywords are toning and myths, I think.
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  • CalGoldCalGold Posts: 2,608 ✭✭
    NT MS 61-62 with possible BB for staple scratch beneath States.
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭
    Thanks pharmer, that gave me enough info to find it.

    BigGreek, check out this thread:

    Myths about toning
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭


    << <i>NT MS 61-62 with possible BB for staple scratch beneath States. >>



    Got any coins like this that you have graded 61 for sale?
  • paigowjohnnypaigowjohnny Posts: 4,257 ✭
    Looks good to me, Eric...

    What poor honest bidder did you steal that from under ??? image
  • CalGoldCalGold Posts: 2,608 ✭✭


    << <i>Got any coins like this that you have graded 61 for sale? >>



    Sure, they are not worth sending in for grading. Which is why that one was raw. I sold a bunch of GSA CC's like that also. And as I said the coin could go 62 or could be bagged for what appears to be a scratch below states. If you're real lucky the coin will be better than the scan, but I doubt it.

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  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭


    << <i>NT MS 61-62 with possible BB for staple scratch beneath States. >>



    My thoughts were the same if that is indeed a scratch. If I owned it I would expect a net grade of scratched, uncir. details. Looks NT to me and I agree the the photo has been over exposed.
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Got any coins like this that you have graded 61 for sale? >>



    Sure, they are not worth sending in for grading. Which is why that one was raw. I sold a bunch of GSA CC's like that also. And as I said the coin could go 62 or could be bagged for what appears to be a scratch below states. If you're real lucky the coin will be better than the scan, but I doubt it.

    CG >>



    I see, so if it isn't in a slab it isn't worth anything and it isn't in a slab for a reason. Where's dorkkarl when we need him?

    I'm glad I don't think like that. I bought a raw Morgan last summer on eBay for $32. PCGS graded it 66. Oh, and when I posted that one here, several people called it a 62.
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭


    << <i>Looks good to me, Eric...

    What poor honest bidder did you steal that from under ??? image >>



    Hey, you still mad at me over the ANACS 87? You know I got sniped on that, lost it by $1. image
  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,244 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Another thing to look at is "freshness" of the untoned surfaces. Dollars that have come out of a mint-bag will have their "whiteness" that is akin to the "yellowness" of natural gold as found in the prospector's pan.

    The untoned parts of K6AZ's coin look mighty white to me. Almost paradoxically, the final stage of toning for a Morgan dollar that has been sealed in a mint bag for many years results in black, the color of Silver Sulfide.

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  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    Looks good.
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  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭
    As I said earlier, the image isn't the best. I'll post a good image of it when it arrives, the seller shipped it today.
  • TrooperTrooper Posts: 1,450 ✭
    Nice looking coin....NT to me also....
  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭
    To me, this is one of those that will look much, much better in hand. I bet the colors will be bold as well as vibrant. It's the photo quality that's the problem, IMO. Good eye, Eric. I'm wondering if the photo saved you some bidding money as well?
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  • CratonCraton Posts: 2,670
    I see ROY G BIV so I think it's real. Is a ROY G BIV pattern a for sure sign or is it easily duplicated now a days Eric?
  • CalGoldCalGold Posts: 2,608 ✭✭


    << <i>I see, so if it isn't in a slab it isn't worth anything and it isn't in a slab for a reason. Where's dorkkarl when we need him? >>



    Who said that. I said that it wasn't worth slabbing--its a baggy common date coin that grades no higher than 62 and might be a no grade due to a scratch. It is not worthless its just worth less than the cost of slabbing.



    << <i> I bought a raw Morgan last summer on eBay for $32. PCGS graded it 66. >>



    What does that have to do with this baggy, possibly scratched coin?

    One of the wonderful things about this forum is that members can post a low end, baggy ms62 coin and people will tell him that its super gem.

    CG
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I see, so if it isn't in a slab it isn't worth anything and it isn't in a slab for a reason. Where's dorkkarl when we need him? >>



    Who said that. I said that it wasn't worth slabbing--its a baggy common date coin that grades no higher than 62 and might be a no grade due to a scratch. It is not worthless its just worth less than the cost of slabbing.



    << <i> I bought a raw Morgan last summer on eBay for $32. PCGS graded it 66. >>



    What does that have to do with this baggy, possibly scratched coin?

    One of the wonderful things about this forum is that members can post a low end, baggy ms62 coin and people will tell him that its super gem.

    CG >>



    I've seen you lowball enough coins on this board. And it's funny, a lot of times you tell people you can't grade from photos, but here you are declaring the coin is a 62. The question was real or NT - now you want to turn this into a grading debate.

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