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ACG and PCI Gold Label CrossOvers to NGC! Old PCGS Rattler too.

braddickbraddick Posts: 23,970 ✭✭✭✭✭
It was a small group, but these coins were sent to NGC for crossover (at any grade). I'm happy NGC was able to see past the label and at the coin.
Each crossed:

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In my opinion though, the Morgan should have bumped a point:
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It shouldn't matter the holder. If the coin is right, NGC will cross it.

peacockcoins

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  • LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162
    image Nice Job, Congrat's!!! Lee
  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    Where's the rest of the submissionimage-----------BigE
    I'm glad I am a Tree
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295
    Well, in the interest of not lulling people into thinking they can buy this stuff on eBay on a regular basis and get them to cross, tell us how many you didn't send to NGC and if you bought them sight seen or not. I've seen enough of the third tier slabs to know that for three crossing, there would be a hundred that wouldn't.
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,970 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Where's the rest of the submissionimage-----------BigE >>

    The others were not my coins (local Dealer's). They crossed to, but they were PCGS coins so the results there are somewhat boring.

    Eric, you're right. Obviously for each coin that crosses many, many others would not qualify.
    The point of this Thread is, it's pleasant to know, that if the coin does meet the standards, NGC will overlook the insert and cross the coin.

    peacockcoins

  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295
    Well, I wouldn't take my chances with PCGS or NGC as far as crossing goes. If I have a coin like that where I believe the grade is right, out comes the C clamp and the coin goes in raw.
  • LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162
    image Goes back to the same theme we see here all the time: "Buy The Coin Not The Holder". A PQ coin is a PQ coin no matter the holder!!!! Lee
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295


    << <i>image Goes back to the same theme we see here all the time: "Buy The Coin Not The Holder". A PQ coin is a PQ coin no matter the holder!!!! Lee >>



    There's a problem with this statement. You can NOT buy the coin and not the holder on eBay, where most gold label PCI coins are sold. And I'll tell you right now, if you buy ten of them on eBay chances are nine of them will not cross whether you submit them in the holder or break them out. And I speak from experience, I've cracked over 40 PCI coins, only three of them have crossed at the same or higher grade.
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,970 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>image Goes back to the same theme we see here all the time: "Buy The Coin Not The Holder". A PQ coin is a PQ coin no matter the holder!!!! Lee >>

    There's a problem with this statement. You can NOT buy the coin and not the holder on eBay, where most gold label PCI coins are sold. And I'll tell you right now, if you buy ten of them on eBay chances are nine of them will not cross whether you submit them in the holder or break them out. And I speak from experience, I've cracked over 40 PCI coins, only three of them have crossed at the same or higher grade. >>

    If you are cracking out the coins at random, your logic is sound. Randomly, three out of 40 PCI golds to cross makes sense.

    If, on the other hand, you are selecting the coins YOU believe are worthy of the grade then your success rate should be closer to 100% (depending, of course, on your talents as a grader)!

    peacockcoins

  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295
    There is no way you can "select" coins on eBay. You may get lucky once in a while, but more often than not you will have a coin that does not meet the labeled grade.

    The PCI coins I have submitted were done so to prove my point. I didn't crack and send in over 40 PCI coins hoping they would make the grade. I knew they wouldn't. This was done as an experiment to see how many would make the standards at PCGS and NGC.

    If any of these lawsuits get past discovery, you will get the details.
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,970 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Eric,
    I'm not speaking of selecting the coins off of eBay (although there is a process there that gives an edge), but the coins you select to cross over.

    If you blindly send in 40 PCI gold label coins for crossover at PCGS then yes, you're probably going to average three that make it, plus or minus.

    If you select out of hundreds of PCI coins 40 you believe will cross than your success rate should be closer to 100%. That, of course, is dependent on your talents and PCGS's.

    peacockcoins

  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295
    Well, I've already proven my grading skills in the last seven NGC coins I sent to PCGS, and you know how NGC coins are always a point less than PCGS grades!

    In any event, I'm glad you have clarified this issue, since it wasn't in your original post.
  • Nice crosses and I really like the Morgan!

    Cameron Kiefer
  • LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162
    image Personally, I don't purchase coins hoping to cross, upgrade, or whatever. I purchase cause I likes em! But, if that was my goal, I would inspect the coin immediately upon receipt, and return if I didn't deam it worthy of a cross, upgrade, or whatever. Why pay fee's unnecessarily? In hope of a "Score" I'm sure. Nothing wrong with that by the way. I hope for just one of those some day!image Lee
  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I hope the halves and nickel look better in person, I would spend them just to get them out of sight.
    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295


    << <i>image Personally, I don't purchase coins hoping to cross, upgrade, or whatever. I purchase cause I likes em! But, if that was my goal, I would inspect the coin immediately upon receipt, and return if I didn't deam it worthy of a cross, upgrade, or whatever. Why pay fee's unnecessarily? In hope of a "Score" I'm sure. Nothing wrong with that by the way. I hope for just one of those some day!image Lee >>



    Yes, except most who are pushing gold label PCI slabs on eBay have this return policy:

    Return Policy Details: I'm sorry but I no longer issue refunds on 3rd party professionally graded coins unless I have made an error in my pictures or description

    Auction

    By the way, that Morgan is NT with a reverse rainbow crescent. The only question is whether it is truly a 65, the images aren't good enough to even come up with a WAG.
  • jomjom Posts: 3,441 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think the best advice when buying these PCI coins is simply bid at a discount.....if you really think you might like it. Whether the slab says MS65 doesn't mean you have to pay MS65 money. I think the correct term here is buying "sight unseen" given, as K6AZ pointed out, many of these do NOT have a return policy. Which is to say you are buying sight unseen.

    jom
  • PhillyJoePhillyJoe Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭✭
    You publicly posted that an ACG coin crossed to NGC. Now you'll be hearing from NGC's attorney for slander.imageimage

    Joe
    The Philadelphia Mint: making coins since 1792. We make money by making money. Now in our 225th year thanks to no competition. image

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