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What a buy on 1984-85 topps hockey unopened!

BuckeyeHockeyBuckeyeHockey Posts: 54 ✭
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Ebay has a buy! number 5157771506 (sorry don't know how to link)

1984*85 Topps hockey unopened box for only a "buy it now" of $9.99. And this is Yzerman's rookie year!!!!!

Oh, shipping is $199.99!!!

Oh well, the cost sounds inviting???

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  • TurbosHockeyTurbosHockey Posts: 531 ✭
    That is an interesting way to keep your ebay fees down I guess. I wonder how long Ebay figures it out.

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  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,582 ✭✭✭✭
    What an arse! I live in NJ. I should e-mail him and say I'll pick them up in person.
    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • spacktrackspacktrack Posts: 1,084 ✭✭
    Let's see his response to this:

    Hi: I am in NJ and would like to pick this item up. I will bring a check for $9.99 at that time, or a $10 bill if you prefer. Please let me know before this deal goes away. Thanks!
  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    What a genius, bet he is the 1st one to try something like that....NOTimage
  • jayhawkejayhawke Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭
    It doesn't say shipping charge is required. Unless the additional item charge would apply and you would be screwed as the buyer. Don't forget the sales tax if you live in new jersey. I would bet this guy has thought it through. Doesn't hurt to try. He isn't hurting the buyer unless you are an ebay shareholder. Good for him.
  • spacktrackspacktrack Posts: 1,084 ✭✭
    His response:

    gee don't think i'd take a check but 20 1909s vdb lincoln cents would do


  • JonBJonB Posts: 495 ✭
    So what is the actual value of this box? If its a high dollar item, at least he isn't having to pay ebay the extra $3 or $4 to list the item at a BIN of $200, and instead pays $0.50 to list it at $10.

    He does clearly state the shipping, and even makes reference to it in his description, I don't really see a problem with avoiding ebay fees in that way.

    edited: Although, if the box isn't worth $200 in the first place, then I suppose I'll file that seller under "scammer"
  • spacktrackspacktrack Posts: 1,084 ✭✭
    The issue, and why I suspect it was even brought to this board, is that this is fee circumvention. This is a mild case. Check out his 1985 Topps wax case for $9.99 and $1175 shipping. He had the auction listed at $1150 with $39.50 shipping and it ended with no buyer.
  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    What about the rest of us that pay Ebay fees in the correct way all of the time? How is an auction of this nature fair, then?

    And, I can't believe Ebay would allow this if they knew.
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  • jayhawkejayhawke Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭
    He is not trying to rip the buyer off just ebay. If I was the buyer I would not be mad at him. If you feel that you have a moral obligation to ebay then report him.
  • takataka Posts: 196
    JonB, I sold (2) boxes last year at $165.00 each.
  • spacktrackspacktrack Posts: 1,084 ✭✭
    jayhawke:

    He was reported several hours ago. Thank you for your concern.
  • IseeyouIseeyou Posts: 77
    What you do is buy all of them. Then say you will pick them up in person. When he won't let you, you file a breach of contract lawsuit. Does he state anywhere, no local pickups? I doubt ebay would help him with this since he is trying to screw them over. By the way, morals are religion, ethics are when it comes to to how you do business as in the medical field, teaching, ebay, etc.
  • spacktrackspacktrack Posts: 1,084 ✭✭
    I contacted him about local pickup on both the hockey auction and on the 85 Topps rack case. He responded that he "would want the handling charge" in his e-mail re: hockey boxes and that "gee don't think i'd take a check but 20 1909s vdb lincoln cents would do" re: 1985 case.

    He's been reported to eBay for fee circumvention. No different than reporting a guy selling fake cards, shill bidding, or another eBay policy violation. It's all unethical.
  • bookofrhymes21bookofrhymes21 Posts: 70
    Hey yeah do it...pick them up in person...he will have to sell it to you for 9.99...
  • IseeyouIseeyou Posts: 77
    There wouldn't be a handling fee for an in person pick up. I don't know if a handling fee for $199 could be price gauging, though cards aren't a necessity. There's probably a law somewhere about it that this would be a gray area. Does he say in the auction that it is $199 for shipping, or $199 for shipping and handling. Either way , you may be able to say since he didn't ship, but said shipping AND handling, he cannot charge the handling fee either. If he said $199 for shipping or handling, he can definitely get away with it in the wording.
  • WabittwaxWabittwax Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭
    Sounds like a lawyer/card collector is going to figure out a legal way to screw that guy on his stuff. I think that is good. He is trying to screw Ebay, so turnabout is fair play. Besides, if everyone screwed Ebay, then their fees would go up on the legit people. I hope he gets burned by a judge somewhere along the line.
  • spacktrackspacktrack Posts: 1,084 ✭✭
    Steve:

    I am sticking it to this guy through emails as best as I can. I am tired off seing all this nonsense on eBay. What eBay loses out on from people circumventing fees and pulling other tricks, we can expect to see in more increases in fees as you mention. I have personally reported over 20 eBayers that I have come across in my daily eBay searches for this I am buying. It takes only a minute to click on 'Help' and find the appropriate link. This is the only way these sellers will learn and, from what I see, eBay is doing a good job at nailing these guys.

    spacktrack
  • IseeyouIseeyou Posts: 77
    Ebay has a great way of not knowing a thing until someone mentions it. Much like Schultz on Hogan's Heroes. I se Nothin! Nothing!
  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    This one is so blatant, I'm surprised the auction is currently still intact.
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  • spacktrackspacktrack Posts: 1,084 ✭✭
    I reported every auction of his that had this offense in it hoping that eBay would have all the more reason to take a look. We will see. Even if they don't do anything, it's on record.
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    People say that ebay is oblivious to auctions that circumvent the rules until it's brought up.

    Do you have any idea how many thousands and thosands of auctions they would have to scan, line by line?

    The best thing we can do is be vigilant and report spam/scam type auctions or ones that try to get around the rules...keep it fair for everyone.
  • jayhawkejayhawke Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭
    I think this is great. Just remember when you get screwed by paypal from a scam buyer and paypal refund's their payment. Paypal does not have a moral obligation to you even if you get scammed. Paypal=ebay or ebay=paypal.

    There was a thread a while ago regarding retailation on the part of a seller. A board member would not stop emailing the seller regarding his bogus auctions. The seller ending them all early. The seller then bid at the last minute on this board members auctions and left him negs. This could happen here. These people could care less.

    Not sure if the seller's actions rise to the level of trimmed cards or shill bidding. In those cases, the seller is trying to deceive the buyer, I don't think that is what the seller of the box is doing here. He is trying to avoid paying fees. Tax avoidance or tax evasion?
  • phreakydancinphreakydancin Posts: 1,691 ✭✭


    << <i>There was a thread a while ago regarding retailation on the part of a seller. A board member would not stop emailing the seller regarding his bogus auctions. The seller ending them all early. The seller then bid at the last minute on this board members auctions and left him negs. This could happen here. These people could care less. >>

    When you report a fee avoidance violation to eBay, it is anonymous, meaning your ID is not revealed to the seller in violation, and you are not made aware of the outcome of the investigation. Emailing the seller in this instance would be just plain dumb.


    << <i>Not sure if the seller's actions rise to the level of trimmed cards or shill bidding. In those cases, the seller is trying to deceive the buyer, I don't think that is what the seller of the box is doing here. He is trying to avoid paying fees. Tax avoidance or tax evasion? >>

    Bending rules is avoidance, breaking them is evasion. He is trying to evade paying the full final value fees on his sales, creating an unlevel playing field among sellers.
  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭


    << <i>He is trying to avoid paying fees. >>



    Exactly. This hurts everyone that uses Ebay - sounds like we are preaching here, but how is this different than stealing from a store (not directly from you)?
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  • jayhawkejayhawke Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭
    No, I agree he is trying to steal from someone(store,ebay) just not the buyer.
  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    Okay - he is not stealing from the buyer, correct. But, by circumventing fees like this, he is stealing from Ebay - which is akin to stealing from everyone that uses Ebay, in that they must ultimately pay more to cover scammers like this one. We could go around and around in circles on this, and I really hate to seem like the defender of big, bad Ebay (especially since the auction is still going, so obviously they don't care), but it bothers me to see people beat the system while most of us are honest and ethical (there is that word again!).
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  • IseeyouIseeyou Posts: 77


    << <i>People say that ebay is oblivious to auctions that circumvent the rules until it's brought up.

    Do you have any idea how many thousands and thosands of auctions they would have to scan, line by line?

    The best thing we can do is be vigilant and report spam/scam type auctions or ones that try to get around the rules...keep it fair for everyone. >>




    If ebay had a specific department employing the number of people they need to look at potential scams, fee circumvention, etcetera, these problems would become minuscule on ebay. If ebay does nothing, they still make plenty of cash. If ebay does do it, it costs them money. If you're out to make a buck without regard to your customers financial safety, which route would you take. You are already a billion dollar company and have so many members that a few scam victims leaving your site won't make you flinch. It then becomes a code of ethics. Is this the right thing to do? No. Therefore in this aspect ebay has no ethics. If you see someone getting attacked on on the street and do nothing, not even call the police to help the person, you aren't as bad as the attacker, but you are know ray of sunshine either.
  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    Well, guess they took issue with it. Auction gone.
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  • IseeyouIseeyou Posts: 77
    It was bound to happen once it was reported.
  • spacktrackspacktrack Posts: 1,084 ✭✭
    Good to hear.
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