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I'm a Sox fan and hate the Yankees- but this is a true statment...

"You can't just go out and buy a championship ring ... well, unless Dwight Gooden runs out of coke."
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  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    And how didn't the Red Sox go out and buy a championship? Last time I checked, they had the second highest payroll in the bigs?

    Not that I am yankee fan, but Sox fans who complain about the Yanks spending (which is in the rules, last time I checked) seem a bit hypocritical.
  • murcerfanmurcerfan Posts: 2,329 ✭✭
    double standards are what sockheads are all about.


  • << <i>double standards are what sockheads are all about. >>




    And being bigots are what murcerfans are about.
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>double standards are what sockheads are all about. >>




    And being bigots are what murcerfans are about. >>



    And being ignorant is what iseeyou's are all about? Sockhead=red sox (you know, SOCK) fan?

    Geez.

  • murcerfanmurcerfan Posts: 2,329 ✭✭
    Peek-a-boo





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  • I see you.
  • sox payroll was #2- but anyone care to tell me by how much??
    Looking to Trade and Buy Tony Romo GU/Autos/RCS
  • ONE MILLION DOLLARS, YES.
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>sox payroll was #2- but anyone care to tell me by how much?? >>



    How much more were they than the #3 payroll?
  • CardsFanCardsFan Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭
    27 million more, roughly the amount of the entire Brewer team payroll. Boston = Evil Empire Jr.
  • They boast about getting these "great" players at ridiculous prices and that they are worth it. They're worth it because the fans are paying with higher ticket, apparel and food prices. I'd love to see the top 5 spending teams in the cellar. Baseball could use a season ending lockout to to get a salary cap. By the way, that new steroid policy, slthough less of a joke than the first, is still a joke. Consider like gambling. You're caught, you're banned for life Barry, I mean buddy. Also strip you of any records like the olympics does when they catch someone doing steroids.
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    The steroid policy is a great step in the right direction...the biggest penalty is anyone who fails the test is outed publicly...

    I'd rather a team be like Steinbrenner's Yankees and spend the money he gets than these money grubbers who try to pocket every penny they can.

    Until the rules are changed to (a) enforce a salary cap (never going to happen) and (b) cap what cocncession/souvenir prices can be, salaries will continue to spiral out of control.
  • I'd rather see a weaker team try hard and be able to afford to go to as many games as I want. Season tickets for some of these team, in the good sections cost around $6000. That's crazy. No one should be making this stupid money in sports. The problem is that sports has evolved into the entertainment business like movies. It will blow up in their faces eventually. I like what's happening to the NHL. Let them lose 5 seasons if they have to to get stability. If the Owners get a salary cap, they better lower their ticket prices to show they want fans there, or they can forget about generating any money.

    The only reason Steinbrenner is spending the money he gets is because he is still making a big profit. What was the Yankees income last year? I read somewhere it was $356,000,000.00. A $200,000,000.00 payroll doesn't sound that high when your income is $156,000,000 over your salaries. The Yankees can afford to buy the Brewers. That's why they can go out and buy all the free agents. They also have the best sportsmarket, the New York Metro area. The YES network is available in the area that has a ton of people living in it, so the demographics, along with the Yankees success on the field bring in a ton of advertising revnue. Even if the Brewers win the next 5 world series, they won't make near the money the Yankees do. They don't have the market. The only teams that can compete financially with the Yankees, or have a shot if they winn a bunch of series with just a baseball income (no billionaire owners) is the Mets Dodgers, Angels, Cubs and Whitesox. New York Chicago and LA are the three mega markets. All three have 2 teams. Can any other city support 2 teams? Bring on a salary cap.
  • Axtell. Did we just become best friends?
  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    Steinbrenner may be the greatest owner in sports. He wants to win EVERY SINGLE YEAR. He spends freely, and that is allowed.

    A salary cap is needed in MLB.
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  • CardsFanCardsFan Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭
    I think the luxury tax and revenue sharing were steps in the right direction. Evident in the Yankees not making a big run at Beltran.


  • << <i>I think the luxury tax and revenue sharing were steps in the right direction. Evident in the Yankees not making a big run at Beltran. >>



    It was a step in the right direction, but what baseball needs is a lep in the right direction. They need to pop a cap in salaries. I would say no to a salary cap if these guys were struggling, but what's the average salary now? Something like $1 million a year? If you struggle financially making one million a year, then you have a serious spending problem. Look at it this way. The best teams play from February to October. They get three full months off. Not bad making hundreds of thousands of dollars for 9 months work. The problem with baseball now is that it used to be about the game, about the pride of the players. Now the players think it's about them only. I would rather see a bunch of nobodies have a great well played competitive 1-0 game than see the big teams play a high scoring low quality game that is slow paced with the million pitching changes.

    Mike
  • Gemmy10Gemmy10 Posts: 2,990
    Bottom line is Steinbrenner is a SHREWD businessman and love him or hate him, he is a great owner and plays within the awful rules. The YES Network was Boss George's idea and it has been a smashing success. Just look at the Mets who are now trying to emulate the Yankees by doing their own network.
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>Bottom line is Stainbrenner is a SHREWD businessman and love him or hate him, he is a great owner and plays within the awful rules. The YES Network was Boss George's idea and it has been a smashing success. Just look at the Mets who are now trying to emulate the Yankees by doing their own network. >>



    He was a great owner when he was throwing money out for the godawful teams of the 80s?

    He was a great owner who was banished from baseball, then reinstated?

    Steinbrenner is many things, GREAT isn't among them.

  • Somthing to think about when discussing the payroll of Boston and NYY...

    - When comparing payrolls between Boston and the Yankees, consider the following: most of the Yankees money is tied up in pre-market correction deals (prior to the 2003 CBA). Jeter, ARod, and Giambi would had gotten lesser deals if they had signed post-market correction.

    - Any Red Sox fan who thinks their team won without "buying a championship" is deluding him/herself. Schilling never would have waived his NTC if the Sox refused to give him an extention. Moreover, they outbid everyone for closer Keith Foulke. In a pre-MC deal Dan Duquette shelled out $20mil/yr to the would-be 2004 WS MVP.

    - While teams with higher payrolls do well in the regular season, the worst team in baseball still has a 15% chance of beating the best team in baseball in a best-of-five series.

    Other random thoughts...

    - I'm not taking anything away from Boston. They truly earned this.

    - IMO Theo Epstein is arguably the best GM in baseball.

    - IMO they are better than the Yankees, who now must prove, to skepitcal fans like me, otherwise.

    - The Yankees will rue the day they passed up Carlos Beltran for RJ.

    Here's an interesting website on MLB team payrolls...

    Dugout Dollars
  • I wouldn't call someone shrewd that throws as much money to every free agent that's worth a dime. When you basically have the all star team, you shouldn't win less than 120 games. Anything less is a failure for that amount of money. One thing he is is a tough guy. Didn't he fight with Howard Spira in an elevator once? I remember hearing he out up a good fight.
  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    GoYankees, I like your post. I would only add that I believe the Red Sox spending in recent seasons is reactionary to the Yankees free spending. We are in the same division, and have to compete - both for players, and for notoriety. The Yankees have been in this mode for a lot longer than Boston has. And, for the last 6 or so seasons, they have been trying desperately to keep their little 90's dynasty going for "one more year", with only the next season in mind. Eventually, the frame of the team might cave in, and bring the whole house down.

    I do agree also - they are crazy for passing up Beltran for RJ. Beltran would have given them a solid CF for the next 7 years, a solid multi-dimensional player. In the Yankee offense, he would have awesome numbers. Not sure what the thinking was there (or with letting Lieber go to Philly, or giving up on Vasquez after one season), but this year could prove interesting.
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  • Vasquez if he pitches up to Randy Johnson's age now would be another 14 more seaons. How long does Randy John have? Definitely not 14 years. Very stupid move on the Yankees part.
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