Dont you hate when they throw away the packages

ScarsdaleCoin

Woman brings into show packs of Unc Sets....I said what a shame you didnt have the packaging, not worth as much...she had just opened up before we got em and threw away packing material.........

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MORGANHUNTER2

I'm curious to know why you put the edict about sniping in your ad- seems as if folks have gotten it for less that you wanted to sell it for. Why not just put a BIN on the lot and let them have at it?

ScarsdaleCoin

just bothers me that someone who really wants an item puts in his real dollar bid and at the last second someone else will use sniping software to grab it for pennies more.......to even the playing field we use anti snipe software which will randomly end auctions early from 5 sec to 1 minute throwing off the snipe....sure we lose a few bucks but money is not everything....

MadMarty

<< <i>.sure we lose a few bucks but money is not everything >>



Might be losing a few customers also.

dtkk49a

Wow. Anti-Snipe Software. What will they think of next...

K6AZ

<< <i>just bothers me that someone who really wants an item puts in his real dollar bid and at the last second someone else will use sniping software to grab it for pennies more.......to even the playing field we use anti snipe software which will randomly end auctions early from 5 sec to 1 minute throwing off the snipe....sure we lose a few bucks but money is not everything.... >>



I would never bid on one of your auctions with that disclaimer. And this may be news to you, but the main reason I snipe the coins I really want is because of the endless shilling on eBay. You may want to conduct a poll asking how people feel about this policy, you are shooting yourself in the foot.

dizzlecc

I know this is getting off the original subject. But I will come to your defense, I'm glad to see some take a stand against sniping.

It is getting almost comical to see the crash of last second bidding. It's almost to the point that listing a coin for more than a day is a waste of time with no one wanting to bid until the last minute.

Thank you for your efforts.

It is difficult when the uninformed handle collectibles. A co worker had a bag of circulated morgans with a couple of nice carson citys that she was carelessly passing around. I quickly informed her that condition made a big difference and the less they were handled and more protected the better.

Dollars

True in a real auction I would get a chance to counter a last minute bid. But such is ebay.

I have played the snipe game and won and lost. but I do it in real time not with a program.


The ones I win I win because I was the fastest not that I installed a program.

loanshark

I won't install the program either but I usually will bid at the last minute. I got tired of other bidders nickel and dimeing my bids.

Loan Shark

originalisbest

Note to self: auctions to avoid!

Sniping is not difficult, it is not "wrong" and it is simply the way eBay should work - well within the bounds of fair competition. With my very first attempt at bidding on eBay I learned this, and learned it well. When I really want something, I usually win. Rarely, I've lost, and oh well... someone wanted it more than I did, or, I didn't have the correct concept of its potential value.

ttown

I put in my max bid, it's just the last 20 to 25 seconds of an auction. I'll be sure to never do any business with you. With many of us collectors going after the same material the lazy just follows your ID and outbids you at the last second or we trade leads several times. The auctions I bid on early are those I'd take for the right price or I'm following too many auctions and want to mark one with an initial low bid or to see it's final outcome.

SilverDollarMan

<< <i>I won't install the program either but I usually will bid at the last minute. I got tired of other bidders nickel and dimeing my bids.

Loan Shark >>



Exactly!
I wish there was a way to block a seller!

btw whats this about? C&P from listing:
Seriously, I do understand that sometimes it is difficult to purchase from just the picture on Ebay, so I will honor your return with a 15% restocking fee if you contact me within 3 days of receiving the item.

airplanenut

<< <i>True in a real auction I would get a chance to counter a last minute bid. But such is ebay. >>

But in an auction, you'd stop at your max. Sniping is just bidding your max at the last moment--that way, people who just want to drive the price up, or don't know what they want to bid, won't keep hitting your bid up. I've had it happen where I still win, but someone bid me up $20. It's easier to not give them that chance... and save $20.

That said, I don't agree with this policy at all--I think it's just asking to lose bids... those that will bring up proxies, and those that will bring up other people's snipes. Even so, if it were an item I really wanted, I'd probably just make due... Jon's a class act and a great dealer/person. I'll be sure to discuss this with him in two weeks

Jeremy

Deadhorse

<< <i>just bothers me that someone who really wants an item puts in his real dollar bid and at the last second someone else will use sniping software to grab it for pennies more.......to even the playing field we use anti snipe software which will randomly end auctions early from 5 sec to 1 minute throwing off the snipe....sure we lose a few bucks but money is not everything.... >>



You got my vote and I'll be looking at your auctions from now on!!!!!!!!

There is something about sniping programs that just irks me. Takes away the human element involved in an auction. For those who won't bid........good for you. Now that's some shooting yourself in the foot.

I long for the day when somebody hacks the code and thousands of people who have shed personal responsibility end up bidding and being responsible for massive over bids.

I bid against snipe programs all the time, I play chess against computers also. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose.

I'd rather deal with real bidders than a program. Just my personal opinion, but I really applaud your approach.

K6AZ

Who said anything about a program? Most of the time I bid manually on the eBay page in the last fifteen seconds.

IwantNonCCs

A seller is trying to get an item cheaper is not wrong.
For some reason, some sellers think it is only "right" if they get the most amount of money I may be
willing to pay. Well, maybe I think the seller is only entitled to the lowest amount he is willing to sell
for.
The difference between the two prices is where the margin for bargining is.
People who don't like snipe think they could have got for more if I hadn't sniped.
Well, I don't have to bid at all.

Sometime my snipe has resulted in the seller getting $100 more from someone else. If I hadn't bid,
they would have got less.

Sometimes my snipe results in my saving money. I have sniped for $500 and bought for $300.
Since otherwise, the dealer would have sold for $200, it is his gain.

Sellers are very good at exploiting the rules to their advantage. This is just use on of the rules to my
advantage.


When sellers start putting the lowest price they are willing to accept and having a fixed price, I will
start telling what I am willing to pay.

I think there are some bidders who assume the other bidders know what a fair price is. When you
get two bidders bidding and assuming the other guy knows what he is doing, price can go
irrational.

cosmicdebris

I snipe therefore I am. I would not bid on an auction like yours either.

I mainly snipe because of the idiots that will place hundreds of small bids ( if they had to ) to peck away at your max.

MORGANHUNTER2

Scarsdale:

The whole idea of ebay (in the beginning) was to allow folks from across the country to "auction" their wares. One mans junk is another mans treasure! Now with the advent of Powersellers- it is nothing more than an online shopping mall, which in essence is worse than going to the mall. Sniping can be enjoyable, somewhat like the thrill of the hunt. but to tell potential buyers that if they snipe you will cancel the auction? Well that is ludicrous. Why bother putting a $20.00 item up for bid and start it at a penny? If it's truly worth $20.00 start it at that price, or have your reserve set at what you want.

I hate shill bidders- especially those that run up there own auctions- not only does ebay frown upon this - but makes some of us buyers feel as if your the MEG's PLATINUM ELITE POWERSELLERS of the UNIVERSE and I don't care who the little pissant buyers are. You take the enjoyment out of bidding, and you will lose a sale.

I will snipe in this auction- I promise you that- if it is in my price range that I want to buy at. I take a chance on winning or losing it- but you should not have any right to stop short because of snipers- especially those that DO NOT have the ULTIMATE EBAY FOOL PROOF SNIPER program that can get the bid in at the last millisecond. I enjoy testing my ability to point, click, and pray that I get it method.

I think as a seller you have shot yourself in the foot.

fivecents

Paul Sims Inc throws away TONS of mint packaging each and every month.

littlejohn

WHERE DO you get a ebay sniping software?
i never herd of that before.i do it the old way.by being there when its ends.
littlejohn

DrWho

I was under the impression that sellers can NOT cancel an auction earlier then 12 hours to close. How are you doing it?

proofman48

You're a powerselling idiot that only posted this thread to get people to look at the link to your auction, which should not be in the post in the first place.
Some have said that you've shot yourself in the foot. I think it's another part of your anatomy that was shot!

INXS

<< <i>to even the playing field we use anti snipe software which will randomly end auctions early from 5 sec to 1 minute throwing off the snipe >>



I wont be bidding on your auction's anytime soon.

RYK

Frankly, I have no horse in this one. I do not care about the mint sets without packaging, nor do I care about sniping vs. anti-sniping software, etc. Jon has been a stand-up guy as far as I have seen here, and I am a bit surprised to see all the grief he is getting over his auction policy.

Mostly, however, I am amused with all of the "I am never, ever, ever going to bid on your auctions" responses. I wonder what percent of these people ever did bid on his auctions...

ksteelheader

I may or may not have even ever looked at his auctions. Don't recall.

However, I don't see where or even how he could set up some sort of software to override Ebay's auction end. I personally think he's full of it on that one!

K6AZ

I think a couple of replies have gone over the top Robert. I simply stated my policy when I'm bidding, and these types of terms just make me hit the back button no matter who the seller is.

I thought eBay had revised their policy on ending auctions early, and sure enough:

Timing Matters

When there are 12 hours or fewer remaining and the item has a winning bid, including a reserve met bid, sellers may not make any changes to the listing, including:

ending the item early. Sellers may cancel bids, but not end the item
adding to or changing the item description
converting the item to pre-approved bidder

Canceling bids or making changes to a listing with bids when there are 12 hours or fewer remaining damages the buyer experience and can undermine trust in the marketplace.

eBay link

So, this entire subject is a moot point. If he has a bidder in the last 12 hours, he can't end his auction early.

Dog97

I snipe the old fashioned way-set mywatch on countdown and at 4 seconds till closing then I bid.
I don't use sniping software because I'm very security minded and I sure as *L* aint going to give me eBay id & password to somebody I don't know that runs a sniping program site. I can't see why anybody in their right mind would give their password & id to a stranger on the internet.
People that complain about snipers are just a bunch of crybabies. If I win it's because of 1 thing & 1 thing only; YOU ARE A CHEAPSKATE AND DIDN'T BID HIGH ENOUGH-IF YOU WERE WILLING TO PAY MORE THEN WHY DIDN'T YOU BID A HIGHER BID TO START WITH?
Sorry for the highjack. Yeah I agree, dealers think it sucks when I throw away my packages.

INXS

Thanks K6AZ proof is in the puddin

lathmach

<< <i>just bothers me that someone who really wants an item puts in his real dollar bid and at the last second someone else will use sniping software to grab it for pennies more.......to even the playing field we use anti snipe software which will randomly end auctions early from 5 sec to 1 minute throwing off the snipe....sure we lose a few bucks but money is not everything.... >>



That's nice to know Jon.
I won't bother bidding on your auctions.
Actually you're not doing that to benefit your buyers at all.

Ray

ScarsdaleCoin

I just love all this hullabaloo.........just so you understand ....I dont cancel the auction.....I just end it and let the high bidder take it.....if you guys who snipe dont like it....well you had the chance to bid.......think a few members of this board have gone way over the top....I never expected such varied response!

Have a nice day!

PS: regarding the software, I wrote my own.... I was a MIS minor in college years and years ago...remember all the old program Fortran, Cobol etc... its a piece of cake...

1977topps

I don't use software to snipe, I do it the old fashioned way. I would also think that as a seller, you would welcome the bump in price that sniping brings. I would.

ksteelheader

<< <i>PS: regarding the software, I wrote my own.... I was a MIS minor in college years and years ago...remember all the old program Fortran, Cobol etc... its a piece of cake... >>



What will Ebay think of it when the first person complains about the auction not ending at the right time?

Dog97

And you're going to honor me with your generous 15% restocking fee. What a crock!!!
Sorry for the highjack. Yeah I agree, dealers think it sucks when I throw away my packages.

kieferscoins

I don't want to get in the middle of this but "ending" an auction prior to the ebay auction ending time is considered canceling the auction to me. Ebay's system didn't end the auction and you did it yourself.

Cameron Kiefer

RYK

I dont cancel the auction.....I just end it and let the high bidder take it

No harm, no foul. If Jon is willing to potentially accept less for an item, why the outrage?

K6AZ

<< <i>I dont cancel the auction.....I just end it and let the high bidder take it

No harm, no foul. If Jon is willing to potentially accept less for an item, why the outrage? >>



No outrage here, I simply will not bid on auctions with terms like that, and I'm not the only one who feels that way. Hey, if he wants to end his auctions early to sell to the high bidder, missing higher bids at the end, he has the right to do it.

kieferscoins

I wish all the auctions companies would start doing this practice at their auctions. Just cancel the auction when more people might bid later.

Cameron Kiefer

RYK

I wish all the auctions companies would start doing this practice at their auctions.

I agree. I would love for Heritage to end all of its FUN auctions right now, with the high bidders getting the coins. Think of all the disappointed high rollers and dealers! A victory for the little guy!

dimples

I would think there's a big difference between ending an auction 20 seconds earlier and cancelling it where the high bidder loses out of his purchase.

I would have no complaints in what Jon is doing, not that I personally agree with it.

Dan

ScarsdaleCoin

K6AZ

If there are bids on your item, choose between:

a. Cancel bids and end listing early
or
b. Sell item to high bidder(s) and end listing early

I chooze B

if I want to stop snipers and take a hit for a buck or two less is that undermining ebay......ebay could change the policy to allow "rolling" ie if auction is bid with less than 1 minute remaining then the auction continues for an additional 5 minute period....

K6AZ

Jon, I was trying to be nice and just say that I won't bid on auctions with those terms. But if you're going to push it..

Come off it! You are trying to induce bidding wars to up the price of the item. I was wondering when the time extended auction concept was going to come up. You know Yahoo auctions have that format.

KentuckyJ

I would love to see ebay adopt the rolling end. I've wanted to see that for at least three or four years.

I've been forced to place my bids as snipes, the old fashioned way. I bid my max and either win or lose. No problem. I don't like to snipe, I think it's rude, but experience has taught me the best price available is by snipe. Otherwise, crazies will run you up needlessly. Ending an auction early hurts both buyer and seller. It's almost like a form of bait and switch. You must have quite a hatred of sniping if that's your policy. I can't say I know anyone else doing it that way.

Best of luck to all

KJ

itsnotjustme

In my opinion, someone is lying. I checked the recent feedback, and the only item that did not end to the second at the same time as it started was a BIN.

K6AZ

Sniping is rude? Ebay auctions are not courtesy contests. Auctions are competition, with the person willing to pay the most winning. And I have found, at least with the twenty or so nastygrams I've received from underbidders, is they thought by bidding first they had a right to the coin for bluesheet money. Not one of these people had bids above greysheet.

ksteelheader

<< <i>I would love to see ebay adopt the rolling end. I've wanted to see that for at least three or four years.

I've been forced to place my bids as snipes, the old fashioned way. I bid my max and either win or lose. No problem. I don't like to snipe, I think it's rude, but experience has taught me the best price available is by snipe. Otherwise, crazies will run you up needlessly. Ending an auction early hurts both buyer and seller. It's almost like a form of bait and switch. You must have quite a hatred of sniping if that's your policy. I can't say I know anyone else doing it that way.

Best of luck to all

KJ >>



I've been forced to place my bids as snipes, the old fashioned way. I bid my max and either win or lose.

I'm sorry, but this explanation don't carry any weight. Think about it. If your maximum bid would be, say $100, what does it matter if you made the bid five seconds into the auction or with just five seconds to go?? Your max bid would still be $100, right???

ttown

Sounds like to me if you don't want to follow Ebay rules you should use your big degree and make a site of your own. The fact is now you better end all your auctions with 1 minute left or those winning an auction not ending early has just cause to show this link to Ebay and complain you let the price esclate and are playing favors to certain people on Ebay. I'd sure won't bid on anything you offer now, sounds like someone could get a friend or two and set a trap for an Ebay sucker waiting for them to bid and closing the auction early.

With your policies you bid at 1 min 10 seconds and the same sniping occurs. I've been on Ebay since 1997 and coins often sell for hundreds of dollars more in the last 45 seconds, so your few bucks sounds like some kind of scam to me.JMO

Shamika

Isn't this thread supposed to be on the Buy, Sell, & Trade Forum?

In the last several years, I've sniped virtually every coin I own. eBay, Heritage, B&M, ANR, it doesn't make any difference to me. Originally when I used to bid on eBay (5 years ago?), I'd get in a bidding war and my "win at all costs" nature would take over resulting in a winning bid that was far more than I wanted to pay. Now, I just put in my maximum bid with 10 seconds left and if I get outbid, I don't have time to bid again.

I have no underlieing motive other than to protect myself. What's wrong with that?

KentuckyJ

Yes, I feel sniping is rude. That doesn't stop me from realizing sniping is the most effective way to execute an ebay bid.

As far as bidding your max early, in theory it should make no difference. In practice, it's a dumb technique that will cost you money as the auction fever crowd "crazies" get frustrated and notch your item price up higher and higher. I bid on a lot of White House Easter eggs and Liddle Kiddles. Playing with those folks, sniping will save you big money.

KJ

pocketpiececommems

Sniping is part of the game. I don't understand why a seller wouldn't want your money. I think that sniping can stop a lot of shill bidding on a coin when the seller doesn't see your name until the end. If you are at a live auction the winning bid usually is not the person that started out the bidding but the person that bid at the end. Are you going to say he can't bid because he only bid once/last?

XpipedreamR

Russ

<< <i>Yes, I feel sniping is rude. >>



So is winning the blue ribbon in a track meet, or the gold medal at the Olympics. Damn those rude jerks.

Russ, NCNE