Maybe Shilling on eBay is Just the Norm and We Should All Get Used to it.
braddick
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I had this colorful Morgan on my watch list and watched it end, two days ago on the 28th. (Notice how the "winner" bumped up the price with multiple bids):
Closed Auction
It now, magically turns up again, same seller, today:
Offered again! Same coin. Same seller
The Shiller did purchase this though:
Secrets to making money on eBay
I wonder what chapter Shilling is covered in?
Closed Auction
It now, magically turns up again, same seller, today:
Offered again! Same coin. Same seller
The Shiller did purchase this though:
Secrets to making money on eBay
I wonder what chapter Shilling is covered in?
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Jerry
Regarding that toned Morgan dollar......
That was MY auction on Ebay, yes MY auction. About 9 hrs. after the auction ended, the buyer emailed me to tell me he would not be able to pay for the coin because one of his sales fell through (a likely story). He subsequently offered me about $25.00 via Paypal to cover my Ebay listing and sellers fees, which I accepted since there's not much else I could do in that instance, and didn't want some deadbeat bidder leaving me a retaliatory neg. I then simply re-listed the piece on Ebay.
I have also filed a non paying bidder report with Ebay regarding that auction,,,,and believe it or not, that idiot buyer bradstang actually DID keep his word and Paypal'd my girlfriends Paypal acct. the funds he said he would plus an extra couple dollars to cover the Paypal fees.
I really resent these 100% false insinuations that this auction involved shill bidding. I sell VERY few items on Ebay and have NEVER EVER shill bid on anything, nor would I ever even consider doing something like that under ANY circumstance or scenario.
Incedentally, that guys real name is Bradley Byrd, and I would suggest that anyone here block him as a bidder based on my experience with him.
dragon
Next time.........before you send accusatory and nasty emails to me via Ebay, have a couple facts under your belt first, it will make you appear to be less of a jackass that way
What, sour grapes? Yes, I don't like being ignored.
boards knows that auctioning any combination of nice rainbow toning on a Morgan PLUS a third world slab,
sends off alarm bells here. There is no other combination I've seen that makes for more instant arguements. Why oh why
not just send it to ANACS for quick, cheap turnaround, or sell it raw as-is with 3/5 day no questions return?
So does that make me an unethical bidder? I have always honored any auctions I've won and usually before I receive an invoice. I have never bid on an item without expecting to follow through with payment if I won, I'm just not always decisive about how much I'm willing to pay. When I first started on eBay I'd place a bid as soon as I saw the item and if I was high bidder then chances were I'd win the item. Not anymore. It's not over until that final second is gone.
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coins on the "my Bids" option that way so I don't have to scroll through a zillion coins; just watch the prices on
those of possible interest. And I'm no shill; in fact I like to see if the my bids are getting bid up way over what you'd see
normally 2 full weeks prior to auction with just 1 other bidder. Then I get a might suspicious that a owner or their dealer is
running up bids.
I just list those as POSSIBLE shill bids. When 6 or 7 are going at it though, then that tells you
something also--it's a coin a lot of people want/need. There really are a lot of strategys in auctions, and shilling
isn't the only explanation for oddball patterns.
boards knows that auctioning any combination of nice rainbow toning on a Morgan PLUS a third world slab,
sends off alarm bells here. There is no other combination I've seen that makes for more instant arguements. Why oh why
not just send it to ANACS for quick, cheap turnaround, or sell it raw as-is with 3/5 day no questions return? >>>
morgannut2, Anyone who knows ANYTHING about toned dollars can CLEARLY and immediatly see that coin is nothing more or less than a 100% original bag toned, relatively low grade common date dollar. The coin is original, and it is what it is, regardless of whos plastic it's in.
IMO, it is absolutely pointless to spend the time and money having a coin like that re-graded by anyone else, ESPECIALLY ANACS.
But since you've been here on the CU forums for all of 3 months, and seem to be such an expert on Morgan dollars and grading services, I'm sure you already knew all this........right?
Tom
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The big O
<< <i>The simple fact is I didn't think that this was shilling at all, just buyers remorse. And said so. But ANYONE who reads these
boards knows that auctioning any combination of nice rainbow toning on a Morgan PLUS a third world slab,
sends off alarm bells here. There is no other combination I've seen that makes for more instant arguements. Why oh why
not just send it to ANACS for quick, cheap turnaround, or sell it raw as-is with 3/5 day no questions return? >>
ICG is not exactly a third tier slab. I've crossed many of them at PCGS with no downgrades or bodybags. The coin in question is NT.
<< <i>Dragon how come NO accusatory or name calling on this one ? >>
Because he knows better.
<< <i>The simple fact is I didn't think that this was shilling at all, just buyers remorse. And said so. But ANYONE who reads these
boards knows that auctioning any combination of nice rainbow toning on a Morgan PLUS a third world slab,
sends off alarm bells here. There is no other combination I've seen that makes for more instant arguements. Why oh why
not just send it to ANACS for quick, cheap turnaround, or sell it raw as-is with 3/5 day no questions return? >>
Where are you getting this third world slab stuff from?? As K6 said, ICG is not exactly third world, and is considered part of the "Big 4" (albeit at the bottom of the Big 4). But certainly ICG should not be grouped with PCI, NTC, or ACG.
Dragon, that's fine coin, and I hope your auction goes well. Ironically, that would have been "Bradstang's" smartest purchase to date, far better than the crap he bought from "aboncom" and "estates-by-weight".
Incedentally, braddicks name is now mud in my book for starting this falsely accusatory thread.
these boards/Ebay, there ALWAYS is some sort of arguement. The simple solution is a Full and FAIR refund policy, OR
authentication by the big three. It doesn't matter if it's a darn ex: Wayne Miller Morgan plate coin--there's always
some dispute, and there doesn't need to be one.
I walk up the prices with multiple small bids on Ebay all the time. When the dealers quit cancelling auctions with 1 minute to go, I'll stop walking bids.
<< <i>Maybe Shilling on eBay is Just the Norm and We Should All Get Used to it >>
shill-bidding is w/out question THE BIGGEST PROBLEM w/ ebay. it's a bigger problem then coin doctors, it's a bigger problem then fraudulent pay-pal schemes it's a bigger problem then deadbeat bidders (or sellers).
knowing that , if you bid on ebay, YOU as a bidder NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for accepting that shill-bidding exists, & it ain't going anywhere.
so i can't really disagree w/ your premise. ebay used to allow shill- bidding, & they should have left it that way. at least then, EVERYONE would know what to expect.
ebay will never, ever ever ever stop shill bidders.
K S
K S
1. Regardless of the plastic the coin was in, I have to agree with the seller, that a common date Morgan dollar shouldn't have to be broken out of it or cross-graded. My guess is, if you know Morgans either you can detect the quality of the coin through decent pictures or you can send the coin back.
2. ICG is NOT third rate. Period. I agree that they are perhaps a bit questionable in the high grade moderns but I've had amazing experience (as well as many of the dealers I've worked with) with them across the board (classic circ's, classic proofs, etc.). In fact, I've been disappointed with their grading in the opposite direction where I think they were harsher than they should have been.
I do agree that the level of critical concern rises as the value of the coin rises and it happens to be in a bizarre holder (NTC, ACG, etc.). Then it looks like you might be trying to exaggerate the coin a bit. Wouldn't it be ironic if the coin crossed to a higher grade at PCGS or NGC?