2004-P Doubled Die Peace Medal Nickel
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Do you think PCGS will start to recognize this variety?
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Cameron Kiefer
In memory of the USAF Security Forces lost: A1C Elizabeth N. Jacobson, 9/28/05; SSgt Brian McElroy, 1/22/06; TSgt Jason Norton, 1/22/06; A1C Lee Chavis, 10/14/06; SSgt John Self, 5/14/07; A1C Jason Nathan, 6/23/07; SSgt Travis Griffin, 4/3/08; 1Lt Joseph Helton, 9/8/09; SrA Nicholas J. Alden, 3/3/2011. God Bless them and all those who have lost loved ones in this war. I will never forget their loss.
tom
Hoot
<< <i>i see ngc has and its even for sale on the bay of EEEEEEEEEEEEEE. whats it look like, major or minor???? anyone have pics?
tom >>
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<< <i>Do you think PCGS will start to recognize this variety? >>
They might, but it will be years after the excitement has died down and the numismatic community has moved on, and their attitude will be "There, we have recognized it, you may now consider it collectible."
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>No doubt, whatsoever, they will.
Hoot >>
Hoot, what makes you think that? I mean they won't even annotate FS #'s on the nickels or document most of the DDO/R's like ANACS or even NGC for that matter... if it's not in the Red Book it doesn't exist to PCGS... So, you think the Red Book will actually document it?
My question is... out of the Top 100 Varieties for Jeffersons, where does this one stand? 101?
I've given up on PCGS ever recognizing most of the DDO/R's... anybody off the top of your head actually know how many they do recognize?
I also think it's very interesting how much these things are being sold for... sooner or later, these prices will fall... even places like Teletrade are selling them two at a time... and the ones on Ebay for $200 for a 64 grade aren't selling.... from what I've seen.
I think these things are being hyped... but, long term, they won't be worth the prices sometimes being seen today. I will say this... I hope I'm wrong about the price, but with as many DDO's from the 40's being sold for cheap money (and not being annotated by PCGS), what makes these so special?
Steve
In memory of the USAF Security Forces lost: A1C Elizabeth N. Jacobson, 9/28/05; SSgt Brian McElroy, 1/22/06; TSgt Jason Norton, 1/22/06; A1C Lee Chavis, 10/14/06; SSgt John Self, 5/14/07; A1C Jason Nathan, 6/23/07; SSgt Travis Griffin, 4/3/08; 1Lt Joseph Helton, 9/8/09; SrA Nicholas J. Alden, 3/3/2011. God Bless them and all those who have lost loved ones in this war. I will never forget their loss.
<< <i>they won't even annotate FS #'s on the nickels >>
Not true...aside from the "official" PCGS varieties they will. CPG is a wasteland when it comes to Jeffersons though, and the Buffalo section is clogged with far too many "2 feathers" and "3 1/2 legs" "varieties" IMO.
RELLA
who boasts of twenty years experience in his craft
while in fact he has had only one year of experience...
twenty times.
<< <i>Hoot, what makes you think that? >>
I agree with you Steve tht PCGS is way behind when it comes to FS annotation. And as for cherrypicker's varieties, NGC has the field hands-down. But NGC is designating this coin without an FS number. This makes me think that it has (very quickly) become mainstream in the mind of the graders. I simply believe that PCGS will follow suit. Only the redbook varieties get a designation without an FS reference, so I think it's going to show up in the Redbook and it's designation is bound to come with PCGS.
Hoot
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<< <i>they won't even annotate FS #'s on the nickels >>
Not true...aside from the "official" PCGS varieties they will. CPG is a wasteland when it comes to Jeffersons though, and the Buffalo section is clogged with far too many "2 feathers" and "3 1/2 legs" "varieties" IMO.
RELLA >>
All I was talking about was Jeffs... the buffalos never even crossed my mind.
In memory of the USAF Security Forces lost: A1C Elizabeth N. Jacobson, 9/28/05; SSgt Brian McElroy, 1/22/06; TSgt Jason Norton, 1/22/06; A1C Lee Chavis, 10/14/06; SSgt John Self, 5/14/07; A1C Jason Nathan, 6/23/07; SSgt Travis Griffin, 4/3/08; 1Lt Joseph Helton, 9/8/09; SrA Nicholas J. Alden, 3/3/2011. God Bless them and all those who have lost loved ones in this war. I will never forget their loss.
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<< <i>Hoot, what makes you think that? >>
I agree with you Steve tht PCGS is way behind when it comes to FS annotation. And as for cherrypicker's varieties, NGC has the field hands-down. But NGC is designating this coin without an FS number. This makes me think that it has (very quickly) become mainstream in the mind of the graders. I simply believe that PCGS will follow suit. Only the redbook varieties get a designation without an FS reference, so I think it's going to show up in the Redbook and it's designation is bound to come with PCGS.
Hoot >>
Well, then more power to you folks... the glass is half full I guess.
I just think the prices for these things are nuts. When 1 guy finds 200+, I'll wait for the final numbers to come in, before I worry about finding one of these.
Hope all of you had a very Merry Christmas!
Steve
In memory of the USAF Security Forces lost: A1C Elizabeth N. Jacobson, 9/28/05; SSgt Brian McElroy, 1/22/06; TSgt Jason Norton, 1/22/06; A1C Lee Chavis, 10/14/06; SSgt John Self, 5/14/07; A1C Jason Nathan, 6/23/07; SSgt Travis Griffin, 4/3/08; 1Lt Joseph Helton, 9/8/09; SrA Nicholas J. Alden, 3/3/2011. God Bless them and all those who have lost loved ones in this war. I will never forget their loss.
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<< <i>No doubt, whatsoever, they will.
Hoot >>
Hoot, what makes you think that? I mean they won't even annotate FS #'s on the nickels or document most of the DDO/R's like ANACS or even NGC for that matter... if it's not in the Red Book it doesn't exist to PCGS... So, you think the Red Book will actually document it?
My question is... out of the Top 100 Varieties for Jeffersons, where does this one stand? 101?
I've given up on PCGS ever recognizing most of the DDO/R's... anybody off the top of your head actually know how many they do recognize?
I also think it's very interesting how much these things are being sold for... sooner or later, these prices will fall... even places like Teletrade are selling them two at a time... and the ones on Ebay for $200 for a 64 grade aren't selling.... from what I've seen.
I think these things are being hyped... but, long term, they won't be worth the prices sometimes being seen today. I will say this... I hope I'm wrong about the price, but with as many DDO's from the 40's being sold for cheap money (and not being annotated by PCGS), what makes these so special?
Steve >>
I cannot speak for Mark as to why PCGS may slab these but as hyped as they are becoming it is a possibility. What makes these so special is the date. With the Mint's new hubbing process there are not supposed to be any doubled dies of any kind on post 1997 coinage.
J. Taylor
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J. Taylor,
So, where do they stand out of the top 100? You buy alot of DDO/R's (at least I think I got a lot of your bids on my price guide jtwax)... Why would one of these in a 64 grade go for 5 times what one from the 1940's goes for? I just think someone out there is trying to make a ton of cash off of a coin that eventually will be less than $50...
All of you have the capability to prove me wrong real soon...
Here's one...
Or another...
Or Another..
Or, how about another?
And maybe, this is a possible answer to the last comment... Maybe just because the mint is not supposed to something, doesn't mean they don't. I think I read something to the effect in one of the recent Coin World Magazines or maybe somewhere else that someone at the Mint said they were "looking into it." I have a strange feeling that sooner or later, they'll have to come back with... oops, we screwed up.
Also, with the mint saying the possibility exists for potentially 200,000 of these to exist if there is only one reverse die with this error (page 26, Coin World Nov 8th, 2004)... this is definitely one of those coins that will have to have some type of long term track record before I jump into it...
I still say... if this one gets a PCGS #, then they all should. If that happens, then hold onto your shorts, cause Mr J. Taylor (and a couple of others) will be enjoying their bouty.
Steve
Self pic on a bad day!
I may not like what you say... but, I'll continue to protect your right every day to be able to say it...
In memory of the USAF Security Forces lost: A1C Elizabeth N. Jacobson, 9/28/05; SSgt Brian McElroy, 1/22/06; TSgt Jason Norton, 1/22/06; A1C Lee Chavis, 10/14/06; SSgt John Self, 5/14/07; A1C Jason Nathan, 6/23/07; SSgt Travis Griffin, 4/3/08; 1Lt Joseph Helton, 9/8/09; SrA Nicholas J. Alden, 3/3/2011. God Bless them and all those who have lost loved ones in this war. I will never forget their loss.
<< <i>if it's not in the Red Book it doesn't exist to PCGS >>
Sometimes even if it is in the Redbook they won't recognize it. The 1979 near date SBA has been listed in the Redbook since the 1980 edition but PCGS didn't start noting it until 1999.
At one point, bids were up to approx. $170 for the 63's and $250 for the 64's... and they didn't meet the reserve?
Funny thing is... a couple sold a few weeks ago (1 was a 63, the other a 64)... in a multiple lot... realized $60, without the juice I think.
Can't wait to see what these coins sell for in a few years... only time will tell.
Steve
In memory of the USAF Security Forces lost: A1C Elizabeth N. Jacobson, 9/28/05; SSgt Brian McElroy, 1/22/06; TSgt Jason Norton, 1/22/06; A1C Lee Chavis, 10/14/06; SSgt John Self, 5/14/07; A1C Jason Nathan, 6/23/07; SSgt Travis Griffin, 4/3/08; 1Lt Joseph Helton, 9/8/09; SrA Nicholas J. Alden, 3/3/2011. God Bless them and all those who have lost loved ones in this war. I will never forget their loss.
Steve
In memory of the USAF Security Forces lost: A1C Elizabeth N. Jacobson, 9/28/05; SSgt Brian McElroy, 1/22/06; TSgt Jason Norton, 1/22/06; A1C Lee Chavis, 10/14/06; SSgt John Self, 5/14/07; A1C Jason Nathan, 6/23/07; SSgt Travis Griffin, 4/3/08; 1Lt Joseph Helton, 9/8/09; SrA Nicholas J. Alden, 3/3/2011. God Bless them and all those who have lost loved ones in this war. I will never forget their loss.
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Steve
In memory of the USAF Security Forces lost: A1C Elizabeth N. Jacobson, 9/28/05; SSgt Brian McElroy, 1/22/06; TSgt Jason Norton, 1/22/06; A1C Lee Chavis, 10/14/06; SSgt John Self, 5/14/07; A1C Jason Nathan, 6/23/07; SSgt Travis Griffin, 4/3/08; 1Lt Joseph Helton, 9/8/09; SrA Nicholas J. Alden, 3/3/2011. God Bless them and all those who have lost loved ones in this war. I will never forget their loss.