old slab or fake?

sammydabull · December 20, 2004 5:22AM

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Is this an old PCGS slab or just a fake?

kieferscoins · December 20, 2004 5:24AM

That is a real PCGS slab.

First generation holder.

Cameron Kiefer

MORGANHUNTER2 · December 20, 2004 5:25AM

very old slab- one of their first.

tlhoy · December 20, 2004 5:30AM

What about the coin!
Question: Isn't the reverse supposed to be upside down on a U.S. coin, or is it different, for this type of coin?
I don't know much about gold coins.
Glenn

BigGreek · December 20, 2004 5:33AM

It is reversed. It's in an old rattler which means the coin has enough room to rotate
over time. Nice coin.

tlhoy · December 20, 2004 5:41AM

I believe its a fake slab! Stand by, Trying to find link.

Glenn

tlhoy · December 20, 2004 5:50AM

Looks like a counterfeit slab to me.

LINK

Bottom picture is a "REAL" PCGS slab!

Credit goes to Conder101
Great earlier post.
Glenn

airplanenut · December 20, 2004 5:56AM

Glen's right... look at the position of the I in service and the D in Grading... it's a fake.

kieferscoins · December 20, 2004 5:57AM

The last one on ebay PCGS bought and had ebay cancel the auction.

Cameron Kiefer

riverman · December 20, 2004 5:59AM

I had a PCGS MS65 Morgan in a 1st gen holder back in the late
1980's. I could shake the holder for about 7 minutes and the
coin could do a 360 degree turn in the holder.

jonesy · December 20, 2004 6:03AM

Looks good to me too. Why didn't it sell??

tlhoy · December 20, 2004 6:04AM

My guess the coin is also fake!

Glenn

Conder101 · December 20, 2004 6:20AM

That IS a fake PCGS slab. The coin is almost certainly real. The guy who was doing these was putting real coins in the slabs but was upping the grade on them.

<< <i>Question: Isn't the reverse supposed to be upside down on a U.S. coin, or is it different, for this type of coin? >>

Look again, he obv and reverse are properly oriented 180 degrees apart.

The one that Cameron mentioned that was listed on eBay as a fake slab was also a MS-65 1924 double eagle. I think I would keep an eye out on MS-65 1924 double eagles in rattler holders.

Russ · December 20, 2004 6:28AM

I just sent the seller an eMail informing him of conder101's bad news and pointing him to this thread.

Russ, NCNE

tlhoy · December 20, 2004 6:32AM

Thanks for a GREAT post on PCGS slabs back in Sept. 03 Conder101
I've learned so much from it.
Way to go!

Glenn

jonesy · December 20, 2004 7:53AM

Cert#2113388 is a bad number!!

ttown · December 20, 2004 8:38AM

That's real close to one another. A company like PCGS should offer to reholder their coins, since they made it so easy to counterfit IMO.

Ryana · December 20, 2004 9:46AM

<< <i>That's real close to one another. A company like PCGS should offer to reholder their coins, since they made it so easy to counterfit IMO.

>>

I don't know how many people would take them up on that offer because old holders sometimes sell for a nice premium, even if the coin isn't under graded.

Doesn't the story go some guy took MS63 Saints and put them in fake MS65 holders? I didn't know there were many (or any) still out there.

Draco · December 20, 2004 11:47AM

WOW. . .fake PCGS slab. Certainly would have burned me.

Very cool thread.

greghansen · December 20, 2004 6:12PM

A single thread like this is worth the time it takes to read through these boards. I was aware of fake first generation PCGS slabs and had a 'vague memory' that there was some diagnistic with the serifs. The 'arms length' diagnostic, however, of the position of the 'I' in service, is just tremendous. Easy to remember and 'idiot proof'. Thanks again guys/gals.