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Scary precedent: Canadian Mint output heads directly to grading service

krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
An article in CW reports that the Royal Canadian Mint sold 9,490 of the 10,000 mintage of the gold $50 25th anniversary coin directly to A-Mark which had them graded by NGC. The RCM kept 10 coins and the other 500 went to Gatewest Coin (a dealer). The first 1,000 minted were set aside and got a "one of first 1,000 struck" label designation.

Although technically the coins didn't get sold directly to a grading service, it was essentially the same thing. The vast majority of the production (95%) ends up in a slab before the public can obtain any.

I wonder if anyone at the US Mint read that article and is formulating some plan to do something similar. I don't think this is a very good omen.

New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

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  • tsacchtsacch Posts: 2,929 ✭✭✭
    Do you smell fish?
    Family, kids, coins, sports (playing not watching), jet skiing, wakeboarding, Big Air....no one ever got hurt in the air....its the sudden stop that hurts. I hate Hurricane Sandy. I hate FEMA and i hate the blasted insurance companies.
  • Was this supposed to be available to the general public also? And two dealers bought 90% of the mintage?

    Cameron Kiefer
  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    The article doesn't say if there was any intent to sell to the public.

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • Hey, doesn't a former mint guy work for PCGS now????????

    It's only a matter of time -- can't say that I mind though.

    It will hurt the dealers of high grade moderns when you can buy the preslabbed coins directly from the US mint though. The mint has already cut into some of the dealer's market, why wouldn't they continue????

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  • I think PCGS also has a deal with the Royal Mint, slabbing gold coins directly from there. I know they've also done stuff with Monnaie de Paris.
  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    The answer is simple. Forget about NCLT.
  • Fine with me. I don't collect moderns. image
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  • What ya want to bet they show up on HSN on of these days?image
  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The answer is simple. Forget about NCLT. >>



    It's NCLT today, but maybe not tomorrow. I guess I'd feel better if I knew that the Mint couldn't take the first 1,000 coins minted of circulating coinage and sell them for a pile of money directly to someone.

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    My collecting interests are such that I rarely purchase anything from mint so this move doesn't really bother me.
  • LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162
    image I'd be interested to know what the grades were? Lee
  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭


    << <i>image I'd be interested to know what the grades were? Lee >>



    It actually doesn't say what all the grades were, but that MS69 and MS70 pieces are being sold by A-Mark.

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162
    Thanks Kranky. I kind of figured that's how they'd grade out? Lee
  • it's all a scam.
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭
    great ..................................... cut out the middle man

    it is called capitalism

    and

    coins is capitalism in its rawest form


    michael
  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    So if the RCM hired a grader and bought a sonic sealer,.......image
    Developing theory is what we are meant to do as academic researchers
    and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,636 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This doesn't sound like capitalism if people don't have an opportunity to outbid
    the purchaser of the 9,000+ coins. In all probability it will be the slabber who
    reaps a disproportionate share of the rewards. Yes, this can be factored into
    the price and the buyers are taking some gamble no matter how low the price,
    but most of those who desire one of these will have to purchase a "value-added"
    example in the slab or deal with a single supplier for one not in a slab. It smacks
    more of a sweetheart deal than anything.

    In any case though, this probably is not destructive to the market. What would
    be destructive is if a mint started pre-screening or specially striking coins to be
    sent to the grading services. This would be a fatal blow to some markets were
    it done with circulating coinage. There's is something to be said for collecting ob-
    solete series.
    Tempus fugit.

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