Not good with Gold what do you think

Smittys

Not good on Gold Look at the scan and the pics
What do you think it's grade is.
Thanks,
Smitty

dthigpen

I'm not good with the indented Indian designs either, but I have a few graded ones. Based on what I've seen graded before, I'd *guess* XF-45/AU-50 - but I could be in left field. Personally, the cheek hits kill this coin for me as far as Eye Appeal goes.

agentjim007

Got to give you credit for having the nads to buy a raw $5 Indian

Dennis88

AU-55

BillJones

Going by the second and fourth pictures, I'd say that the coin is a nice AU with decent eye appeal for the grade.

It's tough to grade these coins from a scan because one really needs to see the luster from various angles of light. But there is clearly rub on the Indian's cheek and the eagle on the reverse. Yet the second and fourth pictures lead me to believe that the coin does have quite a bit of luster in the fields.

mhammerman

From the pics I would say it is probably genuine, probably unc., definitely a slider probably from some time in a bag, medium to well struck, no major distractions other than the light photos looks cleaned, not the color of gold I collect, no particular luster to be seen, nice rims, medium devices except for the top set of feathers are particularly nice and the bottom cotton balls separating the feathers are particularly worn, nice headband, medium fields, good arrows, medium feathers/head, and weak claws. I would give it a second look, in hand, and be thinking 61/62 going in knowing it may be a 58. Too much sliding and dings for a shot at 63 and maybe even 62 by the services and my money would definitely not move for more than a 61 but, I haven't seen it so maybe my money is only good for a 58. BTW, other than oohhhing and aahhhing at the photo, you can't grade these very accruately from photos but you can get close so don't expect a definitive answer to your question but there are others here that are much better than I with these. and maybe they will wade on in.

Merc

This design is the hardest to grade of all US coins. Gold is a soft metal and will show some rub on the high points just from roll friction on mint state coins. The PCGS grading book states the coins can grade MS63 even with some rub on the Indian's cheek if the coin is uncirculated. They are hard to grade when you are looking at them directly, so it is impossible to grade them by a picture.

BillJones

Here's a PCGS MS-64, which is in my collection. This coin is "all there" when you wee it in person. You can judge if the photo did it justice.

mhammerman

That one's got it all Mr. Jones!

BillJones

<< <i>That one's got it all Mr. Jones! >>



Thanks! In a dealer to dealer transaction I paid $300 over "bid." That's what you have to do to get "generic gold" pieces like this when they are really nice. In the eight piece gold type set, the $5 Indian is BY FAR the hardest coin to find in Choice Mint State condition.

mhammerman

Sorry, can't help it even if my pics suk!

Smittys

Thanks everyone,
I thought it was an AU55
so it seems as if I seem to be in the ballpark.
Thanks again,
Smitty

roadrunner

AU58 to MS62. However I think there is enough luster to warrant a MS grade. These always looked (or are!) rubbed in lower MS grades.

roadrunner

techeff

I agree with roadrunner. Also, it's all about the luster with gold.