Low Grade Clad Roosie...PO1, PO2, AG3, AG4?

KollectorKing

Will PCGS grade it or will it be BB?

kieferscoins

Can you read the date?

Cameron Kiefer

KollectorKing

The owner says it is 197something...so apparently the last digit is not visible without a loupe.

kieferscoins

No visible date....no grade at PCGS.

Cameron Kiefer

cladking

It's not normal wear. It looks as though it was vibrated on a piece of leather or some equivalent
for a long time. I imagine this will make them BB it, but perhaps not.

Colorfulcoins

If its real wear and If it has a legible DATE and MINT MARK both (or should I say, a determinate as to if there is a mink mark and what it is - also means that if it is a "P", one has to be able to determine its not a D for example), then I'd say its a PO01. Pretty cool for a clad roosie.......

Conder101

If it is slabbable, Braddick is offerring a reward for it.

kieferscoins

I don't think this coin is slabable.

Cameron Kiefer

KollectorKing

"If it is slabbable, Braddick is offerring a reward for it."

Not just Braddick but so is Colorfulcoins who is paying huge rewards for low grade modern cent and clads coins.

Colorfulcoins

Here's the deal, send it into PCGS. If the coin is damage-free (gradable condition) PCGS will grade the coin. If they can determine the date and its otherwise gradeable, they will slab it and I'll pay for the coin! If the coin is gradeable BUT the date or mint mark cannot be determined by PCGS (in which case they will not slab it), PCGS should refund the submission fee (but not shipping). I have submitted several coins that have fallen into this category where PCGS refunded my submission fee and they could not ascertain the date/MM. Give it a shot - the upside is HUGE! remember, I'm offering $1000 for a clad PO01 by 3/1/05.....so you still have plenty of time for economy or Regular service!

kieferscoins

Since when does PCGS start giving refunds if it got a bodybag?

Cameron Kiefer

Conder101

<< <i>Since when does PCGS start giving refunds if it got a bodybag? >>


The only time I've ever heard of them returning a grading fee was with a 1797 British two pence that wouldn't fit in the slab. I've never heard of them returning it because the coin wasn't slabbable for any reason other than size..

kieferscoins

I agree with you conder101. If they can't read the date I have had them keep my submission money. The graders still have to look at it.

Cameron Kiefer

KollectorKing

"If they can't read the date I have had them keep my submission money. The graders still have to look at it."

If that is the case, why can't it be slabbed with a grade of PO00??

DominusDeus

I wish I could tell what the mint mark on this one was. If it's at all noticeable (even by alternate means (ie: differences in dies from the mints for specific years)), I sure can't notice it.

99.99% sure I nailed the date as 1917 (can’t possibly see the small bit of the last digit as being anything other than a 7, so gotta be 1917). If the mint mark (or "lack" of one) is identifiable, pretty sure I’ve got a PO-1 mercury dime.







Last two pics taken through my (new) 10x loupe.

Colorfulcoins

What, you guys don't believe me? Its a fact - I have received several submission refunds from PCGS where the coin was gradeable OTHER than the fact that they couldn't determine the date/mint mark. Surprised - heck yes I was surprised but it happened.

THIS DOES NOT MEAN REFUNDS FOR BB's. We are talking about coins that would holder if the date/mm was discernible.

Re the Merc, yep it sure does look like a 1917 date. Send it in and if it comes back PO01, I'll buy it from you as I have a FR02 today and that would be a nice downgrade for me. As a comparison, here';s my 1918 FR02:

DominusDeus

Well, I see the fee is $30 to submit (which I have never done), and a minimum of 5 coins. Honestly, almost none of my coins are even worth a $30 fee, or would get a BB.

Comparing mercury dimes (this 1917 being the oldest I have), and comparing the position of the leaves and mintmarks, if this coin had a mint mark, it, imho, is completely obliterated. Unless there were slight differences between 1917 Philly, Denver, and SF mint coins for the mercury dime, it wont be graded because of the inability to know the mint...

If I were a hard-core collector, worked a good 40-hr week, and got paid a decent wage ($6/hr is NOT decent, and hardly even enough to live on. Thankfully I still live with my mother and step father, so I only have to pay $200 a month to them for my own "bills".), then maybe I'd have some nice coins to send to PCGS and ANACS.

Your dime looks quite a bit better than mine, too (not that a FR-2 looks much better than a PO-1). 99% certain mine wouldn't grade. It would, however, be neat as hell to get it graded as a PO-1, with a known mint (which would blow my mind. Would love to know how it was found out if it were). If it were graded and slabbed, I'm not sure I'd even want to sell it then.

19Lyds

<< <i>It's not normal wear. It looks as though it was vibrated on a piece of leather or some equivalent
for a long time. I imagine this will make them BB it, but perhaps not. >>



I've seen this before on a Roosie and I do not think that it is wear. Even from the photographs you can still detect good reeding on the edges. I would suggest this was produced from a very worn oil filled die-set coupled with general circulation. Would PCGS grade it? I think not! Would they body bag it? I don't really know. It's your money........