Put Up Or Shut Up Time........
Hadleydog
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Hadleydog
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Hadleydog
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Yah, that's what I'm going to do... lace his pocket with 10K, then spend another $1000 on 1 day grading fees, call PCGS and see if a grader could possibly take time out of their busy schedual to appear in a court of law (which I assume will be several states away), all this JUST SO I CAN PROVE HIM WRONG! What a morron!
David
1) Winner must produce irrefutable evidence that at least one of the coins in this auction is AT.
2) Irrefutable evidence must be in writing from any grading service stating that they are 100 percent certain that the coin is artificially toned.
3) A representative of that service must be willing to testify in a court of law that the history that 2centsin provided could not possibly cause the toning of said coin.
4) This evidence must be provided within 60 days of receiving the coins.
5) To provide the evidence the winner must submit the aforementioned proof in writing notarized by a state licensed notary public by mailing a copy of said proof to the address provided in the package
6) 2cents in will be given sufficient time to verify the papers submitted but in no event should that time exceed one calendar week.
7) Upon proper verification 2centsin will refund the payment but in no event shall 2centsin be liable for more than 100% of the winning bid in interest charges.
8) If winner fails to provide the required documentation winner must leave a feedback stating that In this sellers auctions AT means Attractive Toning.
Speaking of history, I wonder about how coins get "desert" toned. Maybe he means "dessert."
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
Link O Rama
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
If he's going to all this trouble, you would think he could spend a few minutes to ship 100Proof57's coin. I guess good customer service is not included as well.
<< <i>I think the Q&A's are real. I remember someone around here making the crayola comment. >>
Yeah, the ones he cut and paste into the listing are real.
Look at the new ones at the end, which appear complementary to the seller. Pretty pathetic!!
Well, he actually covers customer service here....................
SPECIAL!
30 day no questions asked refund policy applies to all winners only if these provisions are adhered to and the provisions are as follows: 1) No complaints: Winners who are not satisfied with the transaction are barred from filing a complaint before, during or after requesting a refund. Should a complaint be filed before during or after requesting a refund 2centsin shall regard this act as a breach of trust that is an integral part of the guarantee we offer. As such, the aforementioned act shall render all guarantees null and void including but not limited to any guarantees that grants a buyer the right to return the item. 2) No negative feedback: a negative feedback shall sever any and all business relationship with the person leaving said feedback. In the event that said business relationship ceases to exist any and all guarantees that are inherent in that relationship will be considered a moot point. Therefore, a person who leaves a negative must do so with the knowledge that it will nullify any guarantees from 2centsin 3) Positive feedback: must be given upon agreement that the items shall be accepted for return and a full refund will be made. In no event shall funds be remitted prior to the posting of a positive feedback We believe that if we are to sustain losses in order to satisfy our clients then the client has the responsibility to mitigate that loss consequently the client by requesting and being granted a refund has a moral obligation not to aggravate the loss by leaving a negative feedback especially one that could not be justified. As such the refund policy shall be liberal to those who adhere to its provisions and nonexistent to those who donnot.
He doesn't need good customer service. Your not allowed to complain or leave neg feedback, and if you want any money back when you find out what you got, you gotta leave him a positive!
Again, where is the coin posse????
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>I guess good customer service is not included as well.
Well, he actually covers customer service here....................
SPECIAL!
30 day no questions asked refund policy applies to all winners only if these provisions are adhered to and the provisions are as follows: 1) No complaints: Winners who are not satisfied with the transaction are barred from filing a complaint before, during or after requesting a refund. Should a complaint be filed before during or after requesting a refund 2centsin shall regard this act as a breach of trust that is an integral part of the guarantee we offer. As such, the aforementioned act shall render all guarantees null and void including but not limited to any guarantees that grants a buyer the right to return the item. 2) No negative feedback: a negative feedback shall sever any and all business relationship with the person leaving said feedback. In the event that said business relationship ceases to exist any and all guarantees that are inherent in that relationship will be considered a moot point. Therefore, a person who leaves a negative must do so with the knowledge that it will nullify any guarantees from 2centsin 3) Positive feedback: must be given upon agreement that the items shall be accepted for return and a full refund will be made. In no event shall funds be remitted prior to the posting of a positive feedback We believe that if we are to sustain losses in order to satisfy our clients then the client has the responsibility to mitigate that loss consequently the client by requesting and being granted a refund has a moral obligation not to aggravate the loss by leaving a negative feedback especially one that could not be justified. As such the refund policy shall be liberal to those who adhere to its provisions and nonexistent to those who donnot.
He doesn't need good customer service. Your not allowed to complain or leave neg feedback, and if you want any money back when you find out what you got, you gotta leave him a positive!
Again, where is the coin posse???? >>
Last I checked, you couldn't attach a gag clause to a return policy in a retail sales contract.
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<< <i>I guess good customer service is not included as well.
Well, he actually covers customer service here....................
SPECIAL!
30 day no questions asked refund policy applies to all winners only if these provisions are adhered to and the provisions are as follows: 1) No complaints: Winners who are not satisfied with the transaction are barred from filing a complaint before, during or after requesting a refund. Should a complaint be filed before during or after requesting a refund 2centsin shall regard this act as a breach of trust that is an integral part of the guarantee we offer. As such, the aforementioned act shall render all guarantees null and void including but not limited to any guarantees that grants a buyer the right to return the item. 2) No negative feedback: a negative feedback shall sever any and all business relationship with the person leaving said feedback. In the event that said business relationship ceases to exist any and all guarantees that are inherent in that relationship will be considered a moot point. Therefore, a person who leaves a negative must do so with the knowledge that it will nullify any guarantees from 2centsin 3) Positive feedback: must be given upon agreement that the items shall be accepted for return and a full refund will be made. In no event shall funds be remitted prior to the posting of a positive feedback We believe that if we are to sustain losses in order to satisfy our clients then the client has the responsibility to mitigate that loss consequently the client by requesting and being granted a refund has a moral obligation not to aggravate the loss by leaving a negative feedback especially one that could not be justified. As such the refund policy shall be liberal to those who adhere to its provisions and nonexistent to those who donnot.
He doesn't need good customer service. Your not allowed to complain or leave neg feedback, and if you want any money back when you find out what you got, you gotta leave him a positive!
Again, where is the coin posse???? >>
Last I checked, you couldn't attach a gag clause to a return policy in a retail sales contract. >>
Wow!! That's one heck of a return policy!!! Hoewever, with 100Proof57, looks like he might be taking it a step further and requiring positive feedback before the coin is even sent!!!
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<< <i>Heres my tracking info !
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Wow, one week? Did he send it by covered wagon?
<< <i> Heres my tracking info !
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<< <i>Current Status
You entered 9101 1288 8230 0103 8825 95
The U.S. Postal Service was electronically notified by the shipper or shipping partner on November 15, 2004 to expect your package for mailing. Information, if available, is updated every evening. Please check again later. >>
Thats standard info on the USPS site. No " in transit" tracking info is available until the item is delivered and scanned again.
What that tells me is that he notified the PO that he "intended" to ship the item on the 15th.
My mail just came and no coin !
Even sitting on it for 4 days,i would have received it today !
I have emailed him 4 times with no response.
Proof
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Little bit of both i suppose !
Ive done dumber things with 20 bucks !
Would you be so kind as to post a pic of it when it comes?
<< <i>Questions from other buyers for this listing
Q: hi this is a comment . I just recieved one of your coins . a believe it to be NT . it is a nice coin . thanks .. and ignore the idiots Answered on Nov-20-04
A: Thank you for the support we truly appreciate it.
Q: Hi these son's of B' that are making fraud statments at you are not kind people My father always had a saying "If you can't say something nice don't say it" Don't let these joketers who have nothing to do all day bring you down.. Remember Look up to GOD and he shall be the judge and no one else.. take careif only these beauty's were in my price range I'd shut all those B's up ... Answered on Nov-19-04
A: The kind words are truly appreciated and you never know your kind heart may just earn you some of these coins. That is if none of this Bs are brave enough to put their money where their mouths are. >>
This guy is using shill questioners!
Russ, NCNE
"are you ever going to ship the BTW half i purchased on the 13 th "
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This guy is using shill questioners! >>
Returned,mailbox full !
What a shock !
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Cameron Kiefer
15 minutes and im calling the Long Beach PD.
Frigg this idiot
23S thread
Looking for PCGS AU58 Washington's, 32-63.
Gonna have to re-think this one !
Proof
So, if you bought $20 worth of skank beer, and drank it all, and then vomited all over the place, would that be considered a better use of $20 than buying a coin from this guy??
When I first became a member of the ebay community I was shafted be Al and Beth Henion and their accomplice, Todd Rabenold of finalfrontier6, a gallery featured ebay store. This was August of 2003 and as you can see I still remember all parties' names and all details because night after endless night I added onto the complaint I had filed with the IFCC. After a while I started lighting into THEIR behinds(the IFCC"S) because there came a point that I thought no one was there and that I was just going thru the motions....but one day a special agent with the the FBI, the Postal Inspectors Office, the Bucks County, PA. DA's office AND the Pa. State Att. Generals' Office ALL called me. Seems they want these people REAL bad and all had read not only my complaint but many, many other peoples' as well that I knew nothing about. Anyway, point is, don't give up. Just be cool and point out their stipulations for customer service which all is blatant, collective "Feedback Extortion." They leave buyers no recourse.
As for his challenge, this is just the first time I read this. I may very well be one to take that challenge. As for the feedback bit, when you contact eBay and go to the help/policies/email section and they read with their own eyes what this guy is saying regarding complaints, blah,blah,blah, this in essence is feedback extortion in it's purest form, yet more rules for sellers being compromised.
I don't know who he THINKS he is with his long winded double talk, but the more he rattles on, the deeper into a world of sit he is a headin'.
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Man, I am just checking all this out for the very first time. These people are incredibly bold and equally stupid. Proof, yu're my Bud but I gotta ask..."ARE YOU CRAZY"? Didn't you check this moron's feedback and line of BS befor you hit that bid button that first time? Geez Louise!
I kinda liked the coin
It was 20 bucks
The challenge was secondary
Im getting ready for a submission
Shoulda spent the 20 on some ripple or night train and puked all over the house !
Talked to "John" (the Father ?) on the phone last nite.
The "Post Office" returned the item,im on my way to Vegas and i will drop off the coin (i have my 9 MM ready) A'HOLE never shows (i am shocked)
Will call the LBPD when the sun comes up today.
Its only 20 bucks,but its MY 20 bucks !
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
My BTW will be here in 2 hrs !
Yeah right !
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Got my 9 mm right here !
100proof1957, did you get your coin?
just talked to his sister ?
She is either a really good con artist or totally clueless !
This POS has about 60 k in auctions running right now and regardless of my plight i am calling the LBPD right now !
Related thread. . .
Jeff
Semper ubi sub ubi
Telephone is 562-570-7262 if anybody needs it.
Proof, you are right. That is a lot of money, and it is time for the police.
That aint the point.
The POS aint stealing my money or anybody else's
I know aint aint a word !
How much money do you spend on alcohol every week?
Following this seller is becoming a new favorite pastime for the forum!!
Came very close to punching him out.
I m gonna send it to PCGS and expect a BB for environmental damage or AT.
will also pursue this with the LBPD as well as ebay and paypal.
Why???
Just because a few coins he’s sold haven’t been sent out yet
Just because he almost never answers his emails
Just because he sells coins that are a … wee bit questionable
Just because AT to him mean “Attractive Toning”
Just because he is doing everything in his power to make his coins attractive
I read his challenge … Why doesn’t someone challenge him … He really isn’t putting up anything but the person’s money back … Why not challenge him to:
1. $10,000 for the coins
2. A neutral third party holds the money in escrow
3. He scans all the coins in triplicate front and back and each of the three parties get a copy of the scans.
4. The seller sends all the coins into PCGS for 1 day grading with the coins being returned from PCGS to the escrow agent.
5. As per the sellers challenge if one coin is body bagged or comes back Artificially Toned or isn’t the coin scanned the seller buys back the coins for $30,000 and eats the grading fees. If they all come back in a PCGS holder then the buyer adds another $20,000 plus grading fees.
Now that’s a Challenge ….
Just a thought … Put Up or Shut Up
<< <i>I m gonna send it to PCGS and expect a BB for environmental damage or AT. >>
Good idea. The initial $20 you flushed wasn't enough.
Russ, NCNE