Home› U.S. Coin Forum

For Those of You Who Say They Are Not Influenced by Hype (Coinguy1's Thread)...

RKKayRKKay Posts: 3,015 ✭✭✭
in U.S. Coin Forum
What if the guy hyping the coin is at a show and has found that elusive coin you're looking for and is Mark Feld? QDB? Your #1 dealer?
Rick Kay
Specializing in 1854 and 1855 large FE patterns

<

Comments

  • mdwoodsmdwoods Posts: 5,546 ✭✭✭
    Ha, I never listen to ANYTHING he says. image
    National Register Of Big Trees

    We'll use our hands and hearts and if we must we'll use our heads.
  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think hype depends on the dealer. For instance, if Mark says it, I'll believe it--twice now I've given him a coin on my want list, and twice, though it took many months each time, he got back to me and said, "I have just the coin you wanted." And he did.

    I'll use the large cent he just found me as an example--I looked at hundreds, and I'm sure he did, too. Most in the grade I wanted are flat, cut up, spotted, and just plain ugly. When he finally said he found one, I knew it was going to be nice. That said, if Joe Schmoe said, "I've found you a nice coin," I probably wouldn't believe him... then again, I probably wouldn't give Joe Schmoe my want list. And if it's in person, then the dealer can say anything he wants--I'm still just buying the coin that I see.

    Jeremy
    JK Coin Photography - eBay Consignments | High Quality Photos | LOW Prices | 20% of Consignment Proceeds Go to Pancreatic Cancer Research
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    hype sucks, i don't care who's full of it.

    K S
  • RKKayRKKay Posts: 3,015 ✭✭✭


    << <i>hype sucks, i don't care who's full of it >>



    Just what I thought would be some people's answers. Don't assume hype is nothing but hot air. That makes your answer inevitable.

    Edited to add: My question assumes nothing more than the dealer tells you "how amazing this coin is."
    Rick Kay
    Specializing in 1854 and 1855 large FE patterns

    <
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,797 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are a very small number of dealers (somewhere between one and three who know what I collect and like), that if they contact me regarding a coin and specifically recommend it to me, if I have the funds, I will buy it without thinking twice about it.
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭


    << <i>Edited to add: My question assumes nothing more than the dealer tells you "how amazing this coin is." >>



    I imagine I would give it that statement tha same weight as the dealer will give my response - "well, it is not that amazing".

    Billy
  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    I'll look at the coin and listen for the price. The hype is just extraneous noise.
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Don't assume hype is nothing but hot air. >>

    huh? that makes no sense. if it's just a bunch of hot air, it's hype. if it's NOT just a bunch of hot air, then it's NOT hype, but something else. maybe it's advertising, or promotion, or propaganda, but not hype.

    "hype" is hot air, plain & simple. if some over-blown dealer yipes about how they have "the finest coins", or how they've got "the best prices", or they've got the "best service", or their coins are "the best 1% of the grade", blah blah blah, or makes any claim of an "absolute" about something that's totally SUBJECTIVE, then that's hot air, which is hype.

    K S
  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    Still the same. Of course, I don't have dealers looking for coins for me so maybe it would be different if I did?
    Blog and Pics
  • RKKayRKKay Posts: 3,015 ✭✭✭


    << <i>huh? that makes no sense. if it's just a bunch of hot air, it's hype. if it's NOT just a bunch of hot air, then it's NOT hype, but something else. maybe it's advertising, or promotion, or propaganda, but not hype. >>



    If you don't want to answer the question, as clarified, don't. However, it's stupid to be obstreperous and not contribute anything.
    Rick Kay
    Specializing in 1854 and 1855 large FE patterns

    <
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If someone like RKKay called and said he had found "the mother of all patterns", I would buy it. imageimage

    All kidding aside, you'll learn quickly who is full of hot air and who isn't. You'll eventually stop dealing with those that deliver primarily hype and work with those that deliver great coins. To save some time/money, check with collectors you trust re: who they trust.
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,636 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If a dealer whom I trust says something is the finest or the rarest or words to
    this effect then it will be taken under advisement. But if it's a dealer I don't know
    or he's commenting on something outside of his specialty then the words have
    almost no meaning and will have no effect on my decisions.

    I always remember that most dealers sell almost strictly PQ coins and buy only
    low end coins.
    Tempus fugit.
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    The dealers I respect dont have to huckster their coins.

    They merely say that the coin is PQ or really nice for the grade

    and leave it up to me ,if I like the coin or not. One persons PQ

    can be another persons dog.
    There once was a place called
    Camelotimage
  • boiler78boiler78 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lakes- If Rick Kay found the mother of all patterns do you really think it would be for sale?image Anybody know what obstreperous means? I'm from the midwest.image
  • coinlieutenantcoinlieutenant Posts: 9,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LOL...I am too...and no, I cant help you with the definition...

    siliconvalleycoins.com

  • EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,856 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Boiler, who's yer daddy?!? image

    ---

    From m-w.com:

    Main Entry: ob·strep·er·ous
    Pronunciation: &b-'stre-p(&-)r&s, äb-
    Function: adjective
    Etymology: Latin obstreperus, from obstrepere to clamor against, from ob- against + strepere to make a noise
    1 : marked by unruly or aggressive noisiness : CLAMOROUS <obstreperous merriment>
    2 : stubbornly resistant to control : UNRULY
    synonym see VOCIFEROUS
    - ob·strep·er·ous·ly adverb
    - ob·strep·er·ous·ness noun

    For More Information on "obstreperous" go to Britannica.com

    Get the Top 10 Search Results for "obstreperous"

    How does one get a hater to stop hating?

    I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com

  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Anybody know what obstreperous means?

    Ya, I know....ExLax will help....imageimage


    Your right.....Kay is first in line, you're second and I'm a distant third...
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • coinlieutenantcoinlieutenant Posts: 9,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh...OF COURSE...Obstreperous...image

    siliconvalleycoins.com

  • RKKayRKKay Posts: 3,015 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Your right.....Kay is first in line, you're second and I'm a distant third... >>


    Don't flatter yourself Lakes.image



    << <i>Anybody know what obstreperous means? I'm from the midwest. >>


    I'm on to your game, Boiler.image
    Rick Kay
    Specializing in 1854 and 1855 large FE patterns

    <
  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    I give some credence to the saying "If you don't know your coins, know your dealer." There are dealers who are straight-up (not enough, unfortunately!) and can be trusted. If one of those dealers tells me that a particular coin is desirable for some reason (let's eliminate "upgrade candidate") and it's something the dealer is a specialist in, I will listen.

    That's not to say I'll buy the coin for that reason alone, but I will not automatically discount the statement.

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I refuse to buy from anyone that uses the descriptor "Godzilla" on their web site....imageimage
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭✭✭
    << Anybody know what obstreperous means? I'm from the midwest. >>

    It means someone who is a royal pain in the a@@. In Brasil, they would refer to someone like that as um cara de pau


    Rick, the people I deal with wouldn't hype a coin like that in the first place.

    "Vou invadir o Nordeste,
    "Seu cabra da peste,
    "Sou Mangueira......."
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,797 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Anybody know what obstreperous means?

    I remember exactly when I learned what it meant. When I was in high school, I decided one summer to read the entire ian Fleming James Bond series. The word "obstreperous" appeared in Goldfinger. I looked it up in the dictionary and have used it ever since.

    BTW, the Ian Fleming James Bond first editions have always been a hot collectible.
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • jpkinlajpkinla Posts: 822 ✭✭✭
    I remember obstreporous from my high school days and my copy of "Thirty Days to a More Powerful Vocabulary".

    $10 Indian Gold Registry Set

    $20 Saint Gaudens Registry Set
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I worked close with a dealer in the mid-80's who consistently found me great coins at auction. When he described the coin I knew what he was seeing. Though I directed him to the coins that interested me in large auctions, he would be the one actually viewing the coin.
    I miss having that kind of trust in a dealer. Hasn't happened since either. Every coin he purchased for me turned out very well. Sometimes I wish he was still out there making the rounds for me.
    Paying 5% for killer pieces was a drop in the bucket.

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • TrimeTrime Posts: 1,863 ✭✭✭
    Rick,
    In life you need to know who you are dealing with. Some are very conservative and cautious others exagerate and sing praise. I accept hype once but not twice.
    Trime
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If you don't want to answer the question, as clarified, don't. However, it's stupid to be obstreperous and not contribute anything. >>

    well stop making stupid statements in your own threads then. this borders on the inanity of the "done-deal" thread....

    K S
  • MadMonkMadMonk Posts: 3,743 ✭
    Hype to me is the use of psychology to manipulate a situation to the sellers advantage. Subliminal tactics also fall into that category.
    A collector has to know what he is doing, have his own mind and vision.
    A dealer should help a collector realize these ideas, not redirect a collector so as to make a profit.
    Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

Leave a Comment

BoldItalicStrikethroughOrdered listUnordered list
Format
SpoilerCodeQuote
Heading 2Heading 1
Emoji
:):D:(;):/:o:s:p:'(:|B):#:*<3o:)>:)
Url
Image
Align leftAlign centerAlign rightToggle HTML viewToggle full pageToggle lights
Drop image/file
Home • U.S. Coin ForumComment As ...