Bonds wins 7th MVP Award
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NL MVP Award Voting
Bonds, S.F. 24 1st place votes - 7 2nd place votes - 1 3rd place votes
Beltre, L.A. 6 1st place votes - 21 2nd place votes - 3 3rd place votes
Pujols, St.L. 1 1st place votes - 1 2nd place votes - 20 3rd place votes
Rolen, St.L. 1 1st place votes - 3 2nd place votes - 7 3rd place votes
The San Francisco Giants left fielder became
the oldest player to win the award.
(Willie Stargell was previously the oldest to win it, at 39½)
The 40-year-old received 24 first-place votes
and 407 total points Monday in balloting by the
Baseball Writers' Association of America to
earn the award for the fourth straight season.
Bonds is the only player with more than three MVP awards
and
The only one to win more than two in a row.
Among the four major North American professional sports,
he trails only the NHL's Wayne Gretzky, who won nine MVPs;
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is third over-all with six from the NBA.
BOTR
<< <i>yeah.......but, but.............he did steroids!! Everybody knows that! The record is tainted! JoeStalin and company know what they're talking about......these guys know everything! ................I mean, come on..............don't you read the boards for what's REALLY going on with Barry? It says so right here! Do a search on Barry and you'll see he took them...........are you blind!! He's guilty!!! Where's the asterik? No way could he do what he's been doing without help!!!...............
BOTR >>
and his head is real big
so he must have cheated
<< <i>and his head is real big
so he must have cheated >>
Yeah, if forgot about that! So there.........there it is...........proof in the first degree. How much more info do you want?????!!!!! The investigators (like the umps) can't even get it right. They need to read these boards.............what's wrong with them??????
He's guilty!!
BOTR
No one has ever questioned his numbers and his feats, just his big Mr. Potato Head.
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
I don't care if Barry wins 20 MVP's...he will always be a cheating, lying, filthy human being who has put his numbers ahead of his credibility and integrity.
<< <i>I don't care if Barry wins 20 MVP's...he will always be a cheating, lying, filthy human being who has put his numbers ahead of his credibility and integrity. >>
Strong words from someone who knows Barry inside and out. Other than the steroid thing and his previous marriage to Sun bonds, he's seldom, if ever, made the papers with regard to his personal life (my guess is that he's bought them out to keep things quiet! sshhhhh!!!!)
Therefore, he's just a step above Ray Carruth, isn't he?
BOTR
I'd suspect he could be photographed rubbing that steroidal cream on, or with a syringe in, and those defenders (BotR, BKAH) would say 'those photos are doctored!'
Best player ever? Nah, just the most medicated player ever.
<< <i>It's well known he's a grade A jerk >>
- tell us something we don't already know.
<< <i>why he gets so many chances by those who are so blind to the truth. >>
- you're talking about Steve Howe and D. Strawberry, aren't you?
<< <i>I'd suspect he could be photographed rubbing that steroidal cream on, or with a syringe in, and those defenders (BotR, BKAH) would say 'those photos are doctored!' >>
- no need to doctor photos........smoke and mirrors will do the trick.
<< <i>Best player ever? Nah, just the most medicated player ever. >>
you're talking about Doc Ellis, Dale Berra, Dave Parker, Keith Hernandez, Tim Raines, Rod Scurry, Ken Cam, Steve & Straw, Jose & Mac, aren't you?
BOTR
WHAT CAN BALCO DO FOR YOU!
Being a Bonds fan at this point, is a lot like being a devil worshiper.
If you don't care that most everyone hates you for your beliefs, including Bond's own teamates, then go for it.
To me, Bonds is a disgrace to Baseball,
and he takes away from the accomplishments of all the real winners of MVP awards who didn't have to cheat to win them.
Maybe the 'roids didn't make his bat swing faster,
and maybe Rose never did bet against his own team,
and maybe Clinton only lied under oath about sex,
and maybe Michael Jackson really only wanted to 'sleep' with his little boys friends,
but any way you look at it, Bonds has a stink to him that is never going to go away,
and the lasting damage to baseball that he has caused, for his own selfish gain, can never be undone.
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
Excellent post!
Axtell,
I agree with you too.
aconte
<< <i>It's well known he's a grade A jerk >>
BOTR,
he is not talking about Bonds...
He is talking about Ted Williams and
Willie Mays. They are the most famous
"grade A jerks" in Baseball.
and as far as Cheaters go, they forget
about the ones who were Actually CAUGHT cheating
Like Sammy "corked Bat" Sosa
(and he has a big head too!)
All these personal former friends of bonds on these boards really have a right to judge the guy.
JS
<< <i>what part of that can't you all undestand? >>
Hi Joe, good to see you come out from behind the couch.
But what I can't understand is why you can't spell understand, understand?
BOTR
Nice way NOT to mention Teddy Ballgame in your post. I love how all you Bonds' fans love to skirt the
issues..yeah you are here to proclaim him the MVP God but when you have to back that with stats
you have nothing.
MVP's= opinion
.400/triple crown= facts
JS
Bonds APEARS to have less of a relationship with some teamates but you forget that MANY of Teddy Ballgames teamates proclaimed him as a selfish hitter and that he cared a-lot about his stats, so dont go and make statements like Teddy was liked by everyone till the end and this and that , Please, you dont know Bonds personally and I take it you really did not have much of a relationship with Williams either.
Ted Williams served our country well and is a war hero. He caught a record black marlin. He homered in his final AB. He hit an eefus (sp?) pitch for a HR.
He is Teddy Ballgame.
Personally, I do not see how anyone can compare Bonds and Williams.
just as much. If Bonds was still in the 400 Hr club nobody would bash him one bit. You are a fan and have a right to say what you want, but get over it already, you hate bonds because he is an a-hole....FINE, just dont proclaim HIM as a disgrace to the sport. 3/4 of the players in all of proffesional sports would be a DISGRACE to their sport if their lifestyles were looked into.
Straw or Rose...what because Pete Rose was a jerk means its ok for Bonds to be a jerk? Because
Sosa cheated its ok for Bonds to cheat....give me a freaking break. What other argument do you have
with Bonds if it isn't he is the best of all time? He isn't the greatest fielder of all time, he will NEVER be
in the same class as Ripken, he isn't know for all his rings. Why bring Rose and Straw into this, they don't
even matter?
I think you CAN make a comparison between the two based on like at bats. I have already shown that Williams
just KILLS Bonds in EVERY catagory including walks and homers. If anyone had the Advantage it was Bonds
as he didn't take 1999-2004 out to fight a war....and yet even with that, Williams still had better stats, batted
.400 and hit for the triple crown.
I really don't see how anyone can sit here and say that it is even close!
Bonds will go down not as the greatest hitter of all time, but as a poor sport, pompas jerk who cheated. He
might have the home run crown by then but he will never be better than Williams in hitting or as loved
as Ripken...just accept that.
Keep lesser names out of this.
Thanks
JS
You and JS are too simple minded to see where im coming from.
JOE STALIN YOU ARE A CLOWN
Dirty Harry can you and your buddie face the facts? The fact that you both hate him does not change a thing. You cant except the fact that Barry is one of the greatest players ever, Js is like a broken record with his same old rants and raves. You and him sound just alike.....WAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH "My Daddy told me about Ruth" "Bonds is a jerk" WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH "Williams is the best not Bonds" "Bonds is mean" WAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
smack) as well as others who may not of posted here. Don't mind the line in the sand at all.
Perkdog,
I'm sure you are a good guy. But another way I look at it is that any side against BKAH is a sure sign
of intelligence and pure cool!
aconte
whoaaaaaaaaa big fella, easy on the wit. I can't comprehend such ridicule.
I was staying out of it, until you started sounding like BKAH. People have opinions, and when you start calling people simple minded I felt the urge to jump in.
I guess if being "simple minded" means thinking Bonds is on steroids, most of America is dim-witted.
NO ONE GETS THAT HUGE SO FAST AT AGE 39 WITHOUT CHEMICAL ASSISTANCE seems to be the general sentiment with us peons.
S.F. federal court filings allege link to Giants slugger
By News Wire Services
October 29, 2004
SAN FRANCISCO - Barry Bonds' weight trainer told federal agents "he didn't think he should be talking anymore because he didn't want to go to jail" after they confronted him with evidence that he had supplied the San Francisco Giants star with steroids, court records show.
According to an investigator's report filed in U.S. District Court on Friday, weight trainer Greg Anderson broke off an interview with federal agents on Sept. 3, 2003, when they showed him a file that appeared to detail steroid use by Bonds, Anderson's client and lifelong friend.
It's ashame these federal agents couldn't show some of the guys on this board the same evidence against Bonds thats talked about above.
Cmon fellas, you have to admit there must be some evidence out there that the man did steroids and im not even talking about the size of his head.
<< <i>Williams never cheated... >>
how do you know?
His bats seemed like they were corked,
and his head was pretty damn big,
and he was a total jerk to the press and fans,
and no one gets that good without cheating,
so clearly he was cheating.
<< <i>Ted Williams caught a record black marlin.
I do not see how anyone can compare Bonds and Williams. >>
yeah,
you are right
Bonds has probably never even caught a big fish
so he must be on steriods.
<< <i>I am out of the Bonds argument. I think he takes steroids, a few do not. >>
1420sports
I thought you were
"out of the Bonds argument"
then why do you keep posting!
it is because you are a big fat lying
<< <i>Documents: Bonds used BALCO steroids
S.F. federal court filings allege link to Giants slugger
Cmon fellas, you have to admit there must be some evidence out there >>
You probably think that Kobe
did not rape that girl in Colorado too..
I am in full understanding that you people believe that steroids and Bonds go together like...peas and carrotts.
What I have a problem with is these guys keep talking about his character and other nonsense. Nobody intellentgly responded to my posts except for the same old garbage....he is a jerk,Williams is better (JOE STALINS only response) so on and so on. I make character referals to other players and JS gets all flustered and says I cant do that when he uses Williams EVERY TIME! You guys sound like a bunch of broads.
Face reality pal. Federal agents just don't make things like that up
You probably think that Kobe
did not rape that girl in Colorado too..
He didn't. You are a joke. I think you know it, as it is seen in your posts. As far as my mention of the marlin, it was meant to show that Ted Williams is known for many things .... Bonds is known for his tainted numbers and his Mr. Potato Head.
perkdog - I do not have a problem with Bonds personality. Albert Belle was an arse, and I thought he was the best player in the game at that time.
There is no rule that a great ball player has to be a nice guy and Ive always found it interesting that people always demand that of superstars. There are always many exceptions, but many times the person that has extreme skills in one area is usually lacking in another (in many cases social skills). You see that in sports, music, arts and so on. It just doesnt make any sense to me.
Let me further say that I respect people's opinion and understand that we are not going to agree on things, that is the fun of these threads. Just give good arguments that make sense. Thats all
Nothing personall against any of you....(Except Joe Stalin)
(kinda just kidding)
Whats wrong expecting these millionares to be a litte civil at times? After all Bonds is just another guy with
a fat head without baseball! If there are no fans and no ticket sales Bonds is nothing! The problems is this:
Baseball players start at a low level and we as fans build them up by supporting them, buying the products
they endorse, buying tickets and hotdogs...then they start to put up numbers and suddenly they don't
need to care about that anymore?
How come Cal Ripken can be considered the best at this postion AND one of the best guys in baseball? Ill take
Ripken's personality over 800 homers ANY DAY OF THE YEAR! Those of you who think sports are just about
the numbers are missing the point.
The irony here is that the more Bonds wins or the more records he breaks the further he loses the
support of many fans. He will be sitting in a room one day with all the other disgruntled ball players...Mays,
Aaron, with really no fans at all. We already saw here what little fans he has when he isn't hitting
the long ball! Without the freak show this guy is nothing and in comparison to Ruth and Williams, he is
just a little man with a big head!
Thanks
JS
<< <i>Federal agents just don't make things like that up >>
sure.
I hear you.
OK, decent points there, Im not ignorant to understanding your point there. As 1420 stated earlier that he thinks Bonds is a "potato head" Im ok with that. Steroids? Im even ok with people suspecting that. An A-Hole ? again Im ok with that as well. If you want to argue those points that is ok. I will not be as defensive about it, but when you want to down him as a player because of those factors then I dissagree 100 %. We can argue #'s all day long and Bonds #'s speak for themselves.
On another note if you have an ounce of integrity you will stop ignoring me in the other thread about our "bet".....Dont make Me go public with it...............
<< <i>BKAH .... you do not seem to be a bright person.
You probably think that Kobe
did not rape that girl in Colorado too..
He didn't. >>
really? hmm. I do not recall that ever being proved.
They just decided to drop the charges...
but I am sure YOu think he bought his wife
that billion dollar diamond just cause he
wanted her to forgive the affair
(inspite of he prenup...)
you are funny!
You probably really do think he was innocent!
but then again, OJ did not kill his
wife and her friend with a big old knife either...
OJ did it.
Kobe buying the ring was a bad move. Kobe had a extra-marital affair - bad move, but it happens. Like many others, I saw the possibilty that this girl was p/o'd, nuts, or money hungry. It happens as well.
Did you ever wonder that the charges were dropped because the prosecution had nothing but a case of "Hey, I'll call you tomorrow but doesn't"? That happens alot.