CRS COIN REPAIR

GOLDSAINT

CRS COIN REPAIR

So I saw this add in Coin World by Allen Stockton who claims to restore coins. Has anyone used this guy? Can cleaned or damaged coins be restored to the point they will certify at PCGS or NGC? Is this a coin Doctor running adds out in the open? Below are part of his services.


COINS RESTORED TO COLLECTORs CONDITION
HOLES AND GOUGES FILLED,,,SOLDER REMOVED,,,
DETAIL REPLACED,,,,ALL US AND FOREIGN,,,,,
GOLD,,SILVER,,COPPER,,GERMAN SILVER

BUYING DAMAGED COINS ALSO· BUST DOLLARS · BUST HALF DOLLARS · SEATED DOLLARS · BUST DIMES & HALF DIMES · EARLY COPPER · COLONIALS · ALL GOLD

dorkkarl

allan stockton is a well-known coin doctor. he does great work, & his service is invaluable to the numismatic community. i, along w/ other collectors & forum members, have used his services.

K S

PTVETTER

his repairs will NOT get in any GOOD third party grading service. IMHO

I had a nickel repaired and it came back just so so not bad but would not fool a GOOD grader.

GOLDSAINT

Thanks for the replies. What if anything can be done with lightly clan coins?
I also noticed on his website he had a section on toning?

“Now you can have the beautiful browns on your copper coins and tone your silver from the rim to the center as you wish.”

keoj

This is only second hand, but I talked to a few people that have used his services to fill "holed" coins. They were satisfied with the results but this was NOT an effort to get them graded, but rather to fix a severely damaged coin.

keoj

GOLDSAINT

Here is an example of a coin that might need some work?
This is an early half that most likely had a defect in the blank used to mint the coin.
It has a small hole in the reverse that looks like it had a spot of carbon, or copper, that has corroded away through time. It has been slabbed by one of the out of favor slab companies, and actually has some great color not shown in the picture.
So would a coin like this be a good candidate?

Coinhusker1

<< <i>.“Now you can have the beautiful browns on your copper coins and tone your silver from the rim to the center as you wish.” >>



Sounds like a coin doctor to me. It appears CW does not screen its advertisers too tightly.

marcmoish

Jay,


This is your thread??? I though you're into sleek gemmy saints ??

BTW, the thread cracked me up before clicking on it - I thought you meant Can't Remember Sh-t !!



Marc

dorkkarl

<< <i><< .“Now you can have the beautiful browns on your copper coins and tone your silver from the rim to the center as you wish.” >>
Sounds like a coin doctor to me. It appears CW does not screen its advertisers too tightly. >>

your comments makes no sense. LEGITIMATE coin doctors, like allen stockton, provide a very valuable service to the coin collecting community.

goldsaint, the half you showed looks like a reasonable job for stockton. i'd guess he'll charge you around $40 to fix that drill mark.

finally, some of stocktons work CAN BE FOUND IN PCGS & NGC SLABS. however, the objective of getting a coin slabed is not the point of stockton's work. rather, it's to take coins that have nauseating damage or appearance & make them palatable to a coin collector.

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG W/ THIS ASPECT OF NUMISMATICS

K S

Barry

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<< <i>.“Now you can have the beautiful browns on your copper coins and tone your silver from the rim to the center as you wish.” >>



Sounds like a coin doctor to me. It appears CW does not screen its advertisers too tightly. >>


What's the problem? He honestly advertises his services and does an excellent job at what he advertises. IMO, it's a lot better than the full-page dealers that sell cleaned crap as BU, and the bogus grading services that try to pass themselves off as legitimate.

BTW, I have used his services. I sent a Capped Bust dime with solder on it to Allen, and he did an excellent job removing it. The coin now resides in an ANACS holder, net graded for damage. Am I happy? Yes. The coin looks much better than it did. When I get home this afternoon, if I have any before and after pics, I'll post them.

sleeper

Stockton is a coin repairer, and i know many many dealers that use his services. If you have a bust dollar with a hole in it, its worth the time and $ to get it fixed even if you are selling it as a repaired coin you are able to get more $ then if it has a big ugly hole.

Yes some of his work is in PCGS and NGC holders. I have seen a couple of these myself and while the repairs are very very good they are not totally undetectable if you are specifically looking for a repair. Usually see them when you find an early US coin that seems to be undergraded and then you start looking deeply into the coin to see why it was given its current grade, then you see the repair and be happy you didnt just crack the coin right away.

Having talked to him in the past i know he does a service for the dealers that send him coins and that he has stated he will never change the date of a coin or repair coin copies or remove mintmarks of the coins, he repairs damage and thats it.

Andrew

Coinhusker1

Dorkkarl, "tone your silver from the rim to the center as you wish" sounds like an AT job. How is this a valuable service to the hobby?

dthigpen

<< <i>Stockton is a coin repairer, and i know many many dealers that use his services. If you have a bust dollar with a hole in it, its worth the time and $ to get it fixed even if you are selling it as a repaired coin you are able to get more $ then if it has a big ugly hole. >>



Pffft, Blasphemy. You just need to find the right buyer

TerrapinWill

Is there a web site for this type of service?

dorkkarl

<< <i>Dorkkarl, "tone your silver from the rim to the center as you wish" sounds like an AT job. How is this a valuable service to the hobby? >>

i was referring to his repair work, though after he repairs a coin, he will artificially tone it to make it look more reasonable, too. as far as the toning silver stuff, i do NOT generally consider that a valuable service, BUT, neither you nor i has the right to judge whether other people want to do that or not.

K S

GOLDSAINT

Thanks for all your replies. It sounds like this gentleman is very good, and honest, at what he does.
Here is his website,

http://www.crs-stockton.com/index.html

ksteelheader

I can't, for the life of me, see why something has to be wrong just because some people think it is!

Learn to live and let live!

One question for the bashers! Is this service legal or illegal?

Ken

Barry

As promised earlier, here are a couple of before and after pics of a coin he repaired. Note - that is a cud on star 1, well known to Bust Dime guys and diagnostic for the variety, not damage or solder:

SilverDollarMan

Man, what an improvement.

michael

is this the same man that advertises in the numismatist ???? p.e. stockton??


michael

dorkkarl

hey barry, great post & an excellent show & tell. looks like an excellent coin now.

K S

Conder101

<< <i>is this the same man that advertises in the numismatist ???? p.e. stockton?? >>


I'm pretty sure it is.

JadeRareCoin

<< is this the same man that advertises in the numismatist ???? p.e. stockton?? >>

P.E. Stockton is the father. Allen is the son who is now doing most of the repair business as the father is well into his 80's from what I have been told. I talked with Allen recently and he said that his father documented over 4,000 plugged hole repair jobs on just Bust Dollars in his career. How many of those repairs are disclosed to prospective buyers? How many find their way to eBay without disclosure of being repaired?

IMO, there's nothing wrong with coin repair and restoration, as long as you disclose the repair to any potential buyer. I recently sold an 1802/0 Half Cent that we had repaired by Allen. It had previously been very crudely plugged. CRS Coin Repair fixed the botched plug job and it was absolutely incredible. I could just barely see any evidence of the repair, but I also knew what to look for and where to look.

At a show in Detroit, a buyer came to my table looking for an 1802/0 Half Cent in Fine. Our coin had fine details, but we had it marked as Net G-4. The collector asked why the coin was netted and we told him that it had been repaired. He started to pass, but then I asked him....just for fun.....to try and find where the hole had been plugged. He did not find the repair, even though it was in the most obvious of places; 12:00 on the obverse. Long story short......he bought the coin and had a big smile on his face because of the cost savings.

At the Silver Dollar show in St. Louis, my ex-partner, James Garcia, sold a Bust Dollar to a customer who was looking for a low cost example. James sold him one with strong Fine details for $500, but told the collector that the coin had been plugged. He also asked the guy to find the repair, but he couldn't. I watched the whole transaction. The collector bought the coin and then thanked James for disclosing the repair and said that he knew that James did not have to tell him of the repair. James asked him to promise that when it was his time to sell the coin that he would also disclose the repair to the prospective buyer. Hopefully the collector will do so.

morgannut2

I'm glad to have this fellows name. I have a few flowing hair through seated liberty dollars my father left me but have always feared they would be ruined in some clumsy repair attempt. I've always wished NGC and Pcgs would laser inscribe a micro-number (like diamonds) on the edges of all these old classics and net grade with the serial number recorded to discourage future crackouts and misrepresentation.

kieferscoins

That will not happen morgannut. It would ruin their crackout profits.

Cameron Kiefer

morgannut2

Cameron- As a member of the G.I.A. I sure remember how long it took with diamonds! And we still have major problems with resin infilling natural emeralds, all sorts of synthetic stuff including recently, yellowish small diamonds ( FWIW-most "NT" diamonds don't "glow" long under UV light.). The problem isn't so much the TPG's as much as coin dealers who haven't been trashed in the press so much as to lose a large part of their business. Believe me if every woman wanted a $5000 coin to get hitched, the TPGs would jump out of the 19th century with both feet. Women do not tolerate getting screwed, in the market place, believe me.

kieferscoins

You must think everyone is getting screwed. That is not the case.

BTW coins are mostly a male hobby, although there are some women.

Cameron Kiefer

morgannut2

Good point Cameron, it is a male hobby, but I sure wish more chicks were interested. People aren't getting screwed, it's 75% of the Morgans I preview at auctions have been SCREWED WITH in some way!!! It's annoying more than anything. But collectors of 18th to early 19th Century stuff constantly tell me it's nearly impossible to find original examples. And naturally collectors of more modern material don't see much of a problem. It's great to hear some dealers are getting some of these older 18th century coins repaired, and are honestly representing them. And you're correct about the profits of all the crackouts outweighing using any sort of modern theft/ownership history methods to protect collectors.