you think YOU get bodybags ???????

longtimecollector

This guy gets 8 outta 10 bagged !!!

kryptonitecomics

Ouch............Bad eye??????

1956Quarter

Wow. Doesn't seem to have stopped them from bidding though.

cohodk

Thats a shame too. Looks like he had some nice coins.

robertpr

Yes, they do seem to be nice coins and will do OK despite the cleaning. They would probably go a touch higher in ANACS or NCS net graded slabs but it probably wouldn't be worth the expense. It's good to see he's being honest and showing the BB's with the coins.

Boom

One of two things is going on here. He's obviously found a new niche. #1- He bought a bunch of coins that were falsely advertised and, let's just say that he has "an agenda".
#2- He buys bodybagged coins cheap from people that are angry and disappointed that they got "taken" by a certain dealer(s) and he's out to prove his and their cases by letting everyone know about it. Notice his willingness to answer any and all questions. He IS afterall, still selling PCGS "certified" coins.
Either way, new wrinkle....I like it and obviously others do as well. Smooooooooooooth
Or could it be he's making some other statement? I think I'll ask him.

Boom

Take a good look at the 1841 Seated Liberty. There is a major clue there. We'll see what he says.

seanq

<< <i>Take a good look at the 1841 Seated Liberty. There is a major clue there. We'll see what he says. >>



Bump for the morning crew. I looked at the auction for the 1841, and have no idea what Boom was alluding to. My curiousity is definitely piqued, though.


Sean Reynolds

BillJones

The inserts from body bags are worth nothing in the market. The reason is that the coins can be easily swiched. The one thing you do get if a statement of authenticity if "counterfeit" was not the reason for the BB. Still since there is no holder and no photo, BB inserts are worthless.

eyoung429

are the pics even of the same coin? I tried to get the bb pic of the obv cleaned up through ps 7.0 but they don't even look close.

Boom

Well, I have his response. Let's just say that he tells me that my "hunches" are correct. I looked at every coin, real close-like, and although he has a right to be angry for being "taken" by the dealer(s), his beef with PCGS is totally unfounded as anyone can see that these coins shine way too much and HAVE been cleaned!

I COULD print his reply but that's basically it. I can understand his ire with whoever sold him the coins, but being angry with PCGS I DO NOT agree with. Also he should look in the mirror to see who else he should be mad at for not being experienced enough to discern that these coins are indeed cleaned.

He made a statement conerning PCGS which is his perogative but it's MY perogative not to print it. The truth hurts. He was taken but NOT by PCGS. End of mystery.

Theop

<< <i>Also he should look in the mirror to see who else he should be mad at for not being experienced enough to discern that these coins are indeed cleaned. >>



If he can't find a mirror, he can just look into one of his polished coins.

True the coin might not even be the same one, but I would think that is unlikely. He would have to get the BB label from somewhere.

Coppernicus

He has a beef with PCGS?!?!? Look at the Lafayette he has for sale. Anyone who would think that it wasn't cleaned has no business buying coins, let alone griping about a TPGS that BB's it! Break out the Turtle Wax and shine that puppy up!!

Mike

ss350camaro

Ok, Here's what i see as the REAL problem with these type of auctions:

Here we have 8 coins and 8 BB inserts. They are all marked CLEANED. Nothing else..................

Since PCGS went no further with their grading investigation (by admission from David Hall himself in a Q&A thread) these coins could also be counterfeit. A PCGS tag with CLEANED on it can be used as an authentication tool by the seller.

"Hey look, PCGS certified the coin, ........... it's just been cleaned."

Why can't PCGS do the complete job on the BB'ed coins and authenticate them. The submitter has paid for it haven't they ?
The tag should have ALL info on it, not just the short cutted "CLEANED" because PCGS was too lazy to complete the job for their $30 !!!

WaterSport

So does this mean he will have a front row seat at the ANA seminars this coming summer?????

WS

Boom

Easy there fellas. SuperSnoop reporting once again. Soooooooooo, I went back to this poor guy and asked what creep dealer did this to him so I could help expose him/ her and much to my surprise the following was his reply.

I purchased these coins all along the East coast during my travels. Keep your eye on auctions I am going to be adding some additional items this afternoon. Such as (2) 1986-W Walking Liberty $50 gold proof, straight from the mint, early quarter dollars(uncertified) and possibly a semi-complete set of mercury dimes, set is just missing 1942 over 41 and it includes a 1945 micros (uncertified) and a complete set of Peace Dollars (uncertified)

Take Care,
Dave
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So, you see, YES, the dealers may have all taken a "Live One" for a ride, which IS a shame but this has nothing to do with PCGS and so I followed up by asking...

" So YOU picked these out personally being sold raw from various dealers, as Uncirculated? Weren't you able to at least suspect they were too shiny....too "clean"?
WCS
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To which he replied..
A couple I did personally and as I know now my grandfather did as well. It's just the chance one takes when dealing with uncertified coins; from a dealer not native to your area.
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So I asked him, why then are you blaming the dealers and PCGS when the real fault lies with you? Finishing off this dialogue with the following
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So true. I couldn't agree with you more. So many people have been fooled that the ONLY way to be anywhere close to sure that we get what we pay for is by buying certified coins. I feel badly for you yet am glad to see your auctions are doing so well, even with the coins having been cleaned, but I think you'll have to agree that PCGS has done no wrong here and the ones to blame, when you get right down to it are the dealers, your Grandfather and YOU!
Again, the only way to be relatively sure you are not being cheated is to buy certified coins from reputable third party grading services, such as PCGS, NGC or ANACS. You should have NO beef with PCGS by what you yourself are telling me.
GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR AUCTIONS!
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And so, that's that. As Paul Harvey says, Now....you have the REST of the story! These coins were purchased by his Grandfather and admittedly, some were bought by him. He seems to hold everyone accountable, placing the blame everywhere BUT where it truly belongs...with HIM, his deceased Grandfather and to some degree, the dealers that overgraded them and sold polished, cleaned coins.. He had some derogatory things to say about PCGS which only verifies that he is in a severe state of denial.

lava

It pays not to buy raw.

Time and time we see this lesson. Still, dorkkarl isn't convinced, which is disturbing.

Boom

Woah there lava, I sell certified AND raw UNCIRCULATED Washington Quarters. Quarters that grade less than 65 just are not worth the cost of certification. Judging from the feedback left by repeat buyers of these RAW pieces, your statement may be true in general, it does NOT apply to everyone!

Recently a fellow forum member bought two raw Gems from me and came back for two more, but as a "thank you" I GAVE him four more.

I concur wholeheartedly that buying "Raw" is perilous and I certainly would not encourage or endorse the buying of expensive Raw coins unless you really know what you are doing or you could get very badly burned!

xbob

I salute the fact that this guy is actually selling them honestly rather than removing the bodybag and trying to sell them to somebody (i.e. a rookie like me) that might not notice the cleaning unless it was extremely obvious.

-XBOB

Tootawl

I wonder if the buyers realize that a PCGS bodybag does not mean that it is real.

xbob

The buyers are probably going to have ANACS or another net grader slab them, keep them raw, or if unethical - resell without mentioning the cleaning. That's just my guess.

If the coins are actually counterfeit, that would be just slimy to pass them off as simply "cleaned".

Thanks to this board I learned something else new today. I figured the bodybag PCGS label would say counterfeit. I wasn't going to bid on any of those coins anyway but it certainly makes me want to steer clear of raw coins.

Thanks all.

-XBOB

morgannut2

I don't see the problem selling the coins with the PCGS opinion. What does the guy want? For PCGS to lie about what he has bought ?