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Requesting Help/Grades On IHC's

LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162 ✭
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Just looking for some thoughts and grades on these IHC's. Thanks in advance for your help.

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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,379 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Boy, grading pictures can be tough. Here's my WAG.

    I like the 1887 - MS 64RB
    1889 - looks dipped. Any cartwheel in person?
    1891 - looks dipped - any cartwheel in person??
    1894 - looks nice - MS63-64Brown
    1896 - unusually bright - would need to see in person.
    1906 X2 - both look a little pink to me - would need to see in person
    64RB
    64R

    Anywhere close??
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    In terms of originality, I like the '87 and the '94. The '96 is questionable -- would have to examine the coin in hand to make the call. The others look dipped out and/or too pink. And *who* certified that '89 as genuine in that CW holder? image
  • JxnBoyJxnBoy Posts: 737
    First off, with the differing pictures, backgrounds, sizes, angles, etc. it's going to be hard to accurately grade these. That said, here's my opinion, which probably isn't worth much.

    1887 - 63RB, although it may be AU; the photo's too small to tell
    1889 - Photo too small - WAG - UNC details, cleaned/altered surfaces
    1891 - AU53
    1894 - 63BN
    1896 - UNC details, altered surfaces, doesn't look right - although it is shiny
    1906#1 - MS61BN
    1906#2 - MS63RD
    David
  • LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162 ✭
    Heres what the sellers grade them as:

    1887 ACG MS-66 RD

    1889 Asked Seller this question.

    1891 Seller states it's MS-65 RD

    1894 Seller States it's MS-64

    1896 NTC MS-67 RD

    1906 #1 NTC PR-67 BN

    1906 #2 NTC MS-66 RD


    Appreciate everyones thoughts!!!!!!!!!!!! Lee
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,379 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wonder if there's a reason they aren't in NGC/PCGS holders......image

    If PCGS holdered at those grades, your looking at 25K retail. What's the asking price of the lot??
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • NumismanicNumismanic Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭
    About the only coin that comes close to the sellers grades would be the 1894, the rest don't even look close.
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  • ToneloverTonelover Posts: 1,554 ✭
    Just about all of those have serious problems such as cleaning or damage. If these are the types of coins that catch your eye I recommend that you find a reputable dealer with a reputation for quality and integrity rather than trying to pick up "good deals" such as these on ebay. You're going to get creamed. Of course buying from a reputable dealer will mean that you'll have to pay retail, and as difficult a concept as that may be for you to grasp you'll find yourself to be much better off when it comes time to sell. Good luck.
  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    As already said it's impossible to grade from images, especially when they come from different sources.

    1887 - nicest of the bunch and a tougher date. A few small spots and minor strike weakness keep it at 64RD (I'm guessing it's full RD in person).
    1889 - washed out, lifeless, lousy dip job
    1891 - cleaned and retoned
    1894 - tough call. Looks nice, but the obv in particular looks devoid of luster. IH's that were cleaned long ago and then retoned to BN are the toughest to judge from an image. Could be nicer or very disappointing in person, I've been burned on some IH's whose images looked like this in the past.
    1896 - a better dip job than the 1889.
    1906 #1 - Very well struck, but looks dipped and retoned. I don't like the white stain on & above the N of ONE, the scratch (?) to the left of ONE, and the color in general.
    1906 #2 - color is a bit off (could be the photo), some scratches and a stain above the 3rd feather. 64RD if it looks original in person.

    Welcome to the crapshoot of buying "raw" IH's on EBay!


    Paul <> altered surfaces <> CoinGallery.org
  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    I'll take a shot at these.

    1887 64RB
    1889 hard, small pics. RD
    1891 AU
    1894 63BN
    1896 small pics. RD
    1906 PR64BN
    1906 64RB
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  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The only one I like is the 94, but I wouldnt pay more than 60 money for it. I dont think any are original.
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  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    PS: Just noticed you described the 1st 1906 as proof (no wonder it was so well struck!). IH proofs are so tricky to photo, it's a complete waste of time trying to grade them unless they're in your hand.
    Paul <> altered surfaces <> CoinGallery.org
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The only one I like is the 94, but I wouldnt pay more than 60 money for it. I dont think any are original.

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  • LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162 ✭
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    Wow. Some nice comments and suggestions. I think at this stage in my collecting/grading life I will find a reputable dealer and pay a little more for some security. As my own grading skills develop I won't have to request so much help on these. I really appreciate everyones comments and support. I will watch the ones you guys recommended as nice. Thanks Again, Lee
  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,523 ✭✭✭✭✭
    THe 1891 BN IHC is an XF that has obviously been cleaned. Don't like the color on the rest of them. Shylock is our resident expert, and Tonelover and Lakesamman also know a fair amount about this series. Many Uncs / sliders in this series have been cleaned. They're generally lifeless, devoid of cartwheel luster, and if they're RD, they're more pink than the fire-like orange color that is associated with RD IHCs.

    I wouldn't even look at any of them unless they were slabbed by one of the "Big 3" TPG. This series is quite popular in higher grades of Unc. and in RD color designation, so if the coin is genuine and nice, don't expect any bargains.
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  • LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162 ✭
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    Ziggy29,
    I sent an email to the seller of the 1889 IHC asking, "Who certified this genuine and MS-65". Here is the response: "We use these holders to protect our "raw" coins from being damaged. All coins in these holders were graded by the owner of Centsles, Robert Johnson. 28 Years in the coin business. Lee
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭
    hi there lee ALL those indian cents you wanted an opinion on 1887 1889 1891 1894 1896 1906 1906

    they are all pigs dogs rats turds to put it mildly from sellers i would not even let clean my toilet


    sorry


    michael
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭
    ttt


    michael
  • toothpullertoothpuller Posts: 600 ✭

    Lee, For your information Robert Johnson [Centles] won the PCGS grading contest in the dealer division, so he is almost as good as it gets as a grader, but he usually deals in raw and lower tier holdered coins. His ebay selling grade usually bears no resemblance to reality.

    Why don't you just buy a couple of decent PCGS or NGC IHCs to get you feet wet? The other option is to buy a Dansco for your raw ebay purchases, forget certification, and just enjoy the coins. 99% of the raw red IHCs on ebay will not get into PCGS holders. That said, one of the contributers to this thread once owned a PCGS MS67RD that was originally purchased raw on ebay for $25.





  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,673 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's my stabb:

    87 Ms-64RB
    89 Questionable color
    91 Questionable color
    94 Ms-62Brn
    96 Questionable color
    06 (proof) color looks funky, but could possibly from improper storage?
    06 64rd, but color does seem a bit bright?

  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,379 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Toothpuller:

    And recently sold for $17,500. If kept by the original buyer, that would qualify for a "You Suck"!imageimage
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    they are all pigs dogs rats turds to put it mildly from sellers i would not even let clean my toilet

    I have a feeling Michael doesn't like any of them image
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