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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Looks cleaned and recolored.

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    AG-03 is about right! image
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  • wildjagwildjag Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭
    The way Cam talks in the Open Forum I think he would put his "beef" in anything that gives him the time of day image
  • kieferscoinskieferscoins Posts: 10,017 ✭
    It has not been cleaned or re-colored. My beef was a few month ago when I sold a NGC AU-58 half cent to a EAC guy. I had good pics. He said it was no better than VF-20 when he received it and did not agree with NGC's grade. Hello!!! When did he ever see a market graded coin comply to EAC standards. He returned the coin. I had to do this auction or he might come back to haunt meimage

    I then re-sold the coin with no reserve and it brought $40 more than the last time. The buyer was happy.

    Cameron Kiefer
  • dthigpendthigpen Posts: 3,932 ✭✭
    Don't worry cammy, I'm giving you a sympathy bid on it.
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  • Conder101Conder101 Posts: 10,536 ✭
    Believe it or not sometimes we DO agree with the slab grade. In rare cases we have even graded a coin HIGHER than the slab. (Usually is cases where the service has graded it low because they are not familiar with the characteristics of the particular variety.)
  • robertprrobertpr Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭
    Hey I think it grades EAC PO-03 that's right NEGATIVE THREE! That means you have to pay me to take the coin! image

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  • kieferscoinskieferscoins Posts: 10,017 ✭
    Interesting conder101. I've never met a EAC guys who ever agreed to a slabbed grade but I can see how there might be a few coins like that.

    Cameron Kiefer
  • kieferscoinskieferscoins Posts: 10,017 ✭
    I just call it like I see itimage

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  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    Cameron, the secret EAC police will be ringing your door bell any second...
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  • UncleWigglyUncleWiggly Posts: 2,467
    Well, looky here, it ain't nuttin but a Large penny.


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  • PistareenPistareen Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Cameron, the secret EAC police will be ringing your door bell any second... >>



    Cameron, I am the EAC secret police. We've already taken away your diploma for "Coins of the First U.S. Mint" and I'm looking into having the YN of the Year award yanked. You don't yet realize the full power of EAC.

    Additionally, I've taken your final exam from my 2000 ANA seminar class and net graded it. You're now scudzy.

    ...

    A good example of a coin that would be graded higher by EAC is any cent called "MS-64 RD." If it's really red (not dipped), and isn't all screwed up with spots or kegmarks, it's a 65. Period. By the same standard, most MS-66 BN cents earn a MS-60 or MS-60+ grade. It's the 66 BNs that are really 55s that get our collective EAC goat.
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  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I've never met a EAC guys who ever agreed to a slabbed grade but I can see how there might be a few coins like that. >>

    how many eac guys have you met??? on coins in lower grades, say ag - fine, the chances of eac grade agreeing w/ the market grade goes up, i'd say in the upper grades, where market grading has suffered from gradeflation, the eac grade is liable to be much more realistic than the market grade.

    otoh mr. sampleslabs, you overgraded that large cent even by MARKET standards imo. it only grades vf-30.

    don't bother applying at pcgs for a grading job, my boy.

    K S
  • kieferscoinskieferscoins Posts: 10,017 ✭


    << <i>Additionally, I've taken your final exam from my 2000 ANA seminar class and net graded it. You're now scudzy. >>



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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,549 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The cent may not be AG03 but it isn't even close to EF40...and I'm not affiliated with EAC.
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  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭
    Cameron better watch out for booby traps, he's messin' with the wrong crowd. image
  • UncleJoeUncleJoe Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭
    otoh mr. sampleslabs, you overgraded that large cent even by MARKET standards imo. it only grades vf-30.

    I agree with karl. image

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  • JadeRareCoinJadeRareCoin Posts: 2,768 ✭


    Hmmm. I am surprised that nobody has commented on the fact that the 1853 Cent has been tooled in the left obverse field. Ironically, it probably only would grade as EAC G-4.

    Furthermore, as an EAC member in good standing, I am filing a grievance with the ANA, PNG, AAA and the Home for Wayward Kittens against Cameron for his libelous comments against our fine organization.
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  • goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭
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  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    tooled? looks more like ms. liberty exhaling cigar smoke.

    K S
  • JadeRareCoinJadeRareCoin Posts: 2,768 ✭

    tooled?

    Looks like verdigris removed mechanically, then recolored. Seen this many times before. I still wouldn't mind owning it. What's G-4 bid? image

    Since Cammie is getting so much hassle over his coin, I think that I have to buy it now. It is my numismatic duty to purchase the coin, then have it destroyed so that it will not be sold in the future as a problem-free coin. Hmmmm. Maybe I will donate it to the EAC Museum as an example of modern day gradeflation....... image

    Big bid placed........ If I win it, should I submit it to PCGS to see what they say????
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  • dthigpendthigpen Posts: 3,932 ✭✭


    << <i>Big bid placed........ If I win it, should I submit it to PCGS to see what they say???? >>



    Big bid my arse!
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  • JadeRareCoinJadeRareCoin Posts: 2,768 ✭


    What the???????

    Hey, you wanna piece of me???

    Why would you bid that much on that coin? I told you that it has been tooled and recolored. It's a 100% body bag at any grading service. Please retract your bid NOW!!
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  • JadeRareCoinJadeRareCoin Posts: 2,768 ✭

    Opps. I accidentally bid again.
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  • dthigpendthigpen Posts: 3,932 ✭✭


    << <i>Opps. I accidentally bid again. >>



    Oops, I accidentally outbid you again.
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  • kieferscoinskieferscoins Posts: 10,017 ✭
    Geez guys, just let it die if its such a bad coin. I meant to have some fun with the auction and not get everyone in a tizzy. I have nothing against EAC guys but when they bid on slabbed coins, knowing it won't grade to what they want, and then complain thats my "beef". I don't think its re-colored.

    Cameron Kiefer
  • dthigpendthigpen Posts: 3,932 ✭✭
    I have more sinister plans for the coin. It is going to be my first holed large cent.
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  • JadeRareCoinJadeRareCoin Posts: 2,768 ✭


    It is going to be my first holed large cent.


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  • dthigpendthigpen Posts: 3,932 ✭✭


    << <i>It is going to be my first holed large cent.


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    Muahahahah

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  • kieferscoinskieferscoins Posts: 10,017 ✭
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  • dthigpendthigpen Posts: 3,932 ✭✭
    Oh, Cameron, I forgot to ask - Do you accept bags of pennies (Lincoln Memorial, of course) as payment?

    Thanks,
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  • Iampoorman2Iampoorman2 Posts: 207 ✭
    EAC - another acronym that is quickly losing lustre and integrity.
    A 1943 copper Lincoln will still only buy a gumball out of the machine, but you can purchase the machine and the store with that same cent.
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm using my own grading standard too! Baley Standards (BS) for half cents and large cents.

    I grade Cameron's coin. it grades "Fred" under BS standards.

    in "Fred", the coin is worth exactly the same as "market" or pcgs/ngc/anacs 30, or EAC 12, and is worth about 30-40.

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  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I grade Cameron's coin. it grades "Fred" under BS standards. >>

    Where did you learn how to grade -- a box of Cracker Jacks? It looks like it would go "Clyde" to me. Stop it with the gradeflation already! image

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