1924-S NGC MS-67 FH Quarter Before and After

Tonelover

Here's a 1924-S NGC MS-67 Full Head Standing Liberty Quarter that sold for $13,800 in the Heritage Pittsburgh Signature sale last August.

http://www.heritagecoin.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=352&Lot_No=6059

A quick dip or trip to NCS and you now have a coin which can be retailed for $17,750, not that there are any takers yet.

http://www.heritagecoin.com/common/view_item.php?source=inventory&Inventory_No=146745134

Note that the certification numbers are the same.

Personally I don't care for it either way but it's a great example of the strip and dip mentality which is prevalent in the market these days.

kieferscoins

It sure looks better after NCS.

Cameron Kiefer

K6AZ

Another numismatic crime goes down. By time the fast buck artists get done, there won't be any unmolested coins left.

JxnBoy

<< <i>It sure looks better after NCS. >>



I do not agree.

Plus it has a Chicagoland Pedigree. It's not really the same coin as was in the Chicagoland Collection anymore, now, is it?

PLUS.....I think the stripping of the patina exposes more chatter on the reverse than I'd like to see on a 7.

PLUS.....The FH designation is really, really close here. Personally, I'd like to see more separation of the hairline where it meets the jaw.

All that said, it is a beautiful coin.

dragon

I agree with K6AZ, the pool of original undipped, un-messed with coins gets smaller every year, and all in the name of the plastic 'upgrade'.

pharmer

First one nicely original, second is certainly shiny but looks fake, IMO.

Veep

I like that the after has "even" surfaces although the before coin looked like it had BOOMING luster under the patina. What's the luster look like live? Do you think it has been subdued at all?

lloydmincy

Wow, amazing. Same NGC holder. I personally like the old school. Again, like I said before, the untouched coins will be the rarities some day...

Good work, tonelover. Why woldn't they regrade it and get a different number, or regrade through PCGS, to "hide the past" ???

Tonelover

<< <i> Why woldn't they regrade it and get a different number, or regrade through PCGS, to "hide the past" ??? >>



My guess is that they knew it would be an overgraded pig once conserved so they paid for NCS's no downgrade guarantee. No chance of that coin getting in to a PCGS 67 FH holder.

maddogale

Although the reverse was a tad splotchy for my tastes, (not that I could EVER afford a 67 SLQ) I did like the obverse swirl-effect of the toning, even if it was a bit dull, just kind of looked........original I guess sums it up..

SethChandler

I love these Sherlock Holmes threads. Got any more?

Seth

XpipedreamR

<< <i> My guess is that they knew it would be an overgraded pig once conserved so they paid for NCS's no downgrade guarantee. No chance of that coin getting in to a PCGS 67 FH holder. >>





































A pig? Let me in the sty, baby! Oink, Oink





PS: Where's the rolling in slop GIF?

Elcontador

I don't care about the pedigree. The original was a butt ugly coin. I'll bet after NCS, it's brillant but lifeless, stripped of the flow lines so that cartwheel luster is minimal. So, at first we had an original ugly coin. Now we have a played-with ugly coin.

You know there's something wrong with a coin when it's going for five figures and the description basically says, "here it is, deal with it." Normally you'd expect a glowing description of the coin's attributes when they're asking this kind of money for it. As a rule, the more $ they want for it, the longer and more positive its description.

FWIW, I've seen only a handful of attractively toned SLQs in MS 65 or better.

DennisH

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and in this beholder's opinion the coin is a real beauty now.

MFH

Back in December, 2002, I downloaded all the images from Heritage's sale of the Chicagoland collection. I savored each and every coin ... I even set up a three ring binder with full color pages of each coin in its original holder, as well as larger blow-ups of each coin. It is a set I wanted to emulate.

The 24-S in NGC 67FH looked completely natural in its original state...and although I think NCS did a fine job, it did reveal some clatter unseen in its original condition. Its a great strike, but as I have found out from personal experience, not all NGC "FH" coins make it into PCGS "FH" holders...at least if they are submitted in their NGC holders. I have seen PCGS "FH" coins that would also have a hard time making it into NGC "FH" holders as well.

Ultimate Full Heads are incredibly rare in any holder. My 24-S started out in an ANACS 64FH holder, had it sent to NCS to remove a pin dot of PVC on the reverse, it crossed into an NGC 64FH holder, and the grade held once again when it was submitted to PCGS for reholdering ( so that the set would all be in uniform holders ). To say its an ultimate FH, would be an understatement.

ms70

I think it looks fine. At least from the pics.

jcping

Will this cross to a PCGS MS65FH holder
I think it is a solid 64FH. Remember, most 24S Full Head coins have 95% heads. This one is not an exception.

MFH

This coin is a lock 66 ( I can't say they keep its FH designation though ) .