It seems that some people are always looking to find something wrong with what sellers do...
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I read complaints about sellers doing this or that which might lead an ignorant and gullible buyer into over paying for something.
It seems like these complainers are always on the lookout for any slight error that some person has, in their mind, made.
While we should help new collectors understand the nuances of one price guide to another or the credibility of one grading service to another, it seems offensive that these complainers read immoraility and unethical behavior into every "puff" when their may in fact be none, that the buyer may just be engaging in trying to sell his goods.
Selling coins is a business and sellers are going to hype their merchandise. The best thing you can do to help gullible and naive buyers is to educate them, not complain about and to sellers.
I have enjoyed seeing some of the two or three primers that have appeared over the past several years.
Other than that, one has to soak slowly and grit their teeth to slog through the venom.
Educate. I'm sure the beginners would appreciate it.
(And, by the way, I posted in an ebay auction a long write up on the basics of coin market within the past 30 days...and have written many things to help people understand much about the coin market.....some of you may remember the ACG MS67 Shield Nickel that I offered for $1,000,000 a while ago....seen by over 4,000 people - a commentary on grading services.)
It seems like these complainers are always on the lookout for any slight error that some person has, in their mind, made.
While we should help new collectors understand the nuances of one price guide to another or the credibility of one grading service to another, it seems offensive that these complainers read immoraility and unethical behavior into every "puff" when their may in fact be none, that the buyer may just be engaging in trying to sell his goods.
Selling coins is a business and sellers are going to hype their merchandise. The best thing you can do to help gullible and naive buyers is to educate them, not complain about and to sellers.
I have enjoyed seeing some of the two or three primers that have appeared over the past several years.
Other than that, one has to soak slowly and grit their teeth to slog through the venom.
Educate. I'm sure the beginners would appreciate it.
(And, by the way, I posted in an ebay auction a long write up on the basics of coin market within the past 30 days...and have written many things to help people understand much about the coin market.....some of you may remember the ACG MS67 Shield Nickel that I offered for $1,000,000 a while ago....seen by over 4,000 people - a commentary on grading services.)
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What an outrage.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
However, I do not believe that "most" people are the "sheep" that some wish they were. I for one take almost any complaint around here with a grain of salt...search for the facts...and arrive at my own opinions.
I do have to say, that if you really pay attention to the "intent" of some of the complaint threads - it will teach you hard-core, firm numismatic ethics that if followed would make the coin world a safe place to exist.
Then again their are those who seem to get a raz from finding problems with everything....I know who they are...and generally do not pay attention.
As a somewhat ignorant, gullible and naive buyer myself (see, I'm not above self criticism) I would much rather read educational threads as opposed to the "did too, did not!" threads. It seems like over the past three or four months the content of the coin forum has shifted away from education and fun and more towards bashing.
I think there is a lot of chest puffing and ego boosting that goes on in these forums, but some take it to extreme and tend to enjoy playing the role of enforcer to the detriment of the forum. Negativity breeds negativity and reading a forum that has more negatives than positives in its' content is not fun for very long. I believe this is why we have lost a good number of very worthy and knowledgeable people lately...too much negativity towards each other going on here.
As an example, reading the comments posted here regarding E-bay sales, one would think it nothing but a cesspool of deceit and corruption, yet the same "E-bay police" who constantly rip others for how they conduct their business, trade there constantly. Would be nice to see people post their list of preferred E-bay traders so that people like myself can look at those auctions and learn the good from the bad.
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<< <i>some take it to extreme and tend to enjoy playing the role of enforcer to the detriment of the forum. Negativity breeds negativity and reading a forum that has more negatives than positives in its' content is not fun for very long >>
I COMPLETELY AGREE!
<< <i>I think there is a lot of chest puffing and ego boosting that goes on in these forums, but some take it to extreme and tend to enjoy playing the role of enforcer to the detriment of the forum. Negativity breeds negativity and reading a forum that has more negatives than positives in its' content is not fun for very long. I believe this is why we have lost a good number of very worthy and knowledgeable people lately...too much negativity towards each other going on here. >>
How true! I`m tired of the trogs that come down the road and post antagonizing threads and posts. Adrian made a good point, and right point in my opinion, that this is a place of education ( sometimes entertanment
The first and foremost point is that no matter what level of experience ( whether you started collecting a month ago or 40 years ago ) or coins you collect, learn the fundamentals as completely and thourghly as possible and stick them! Forget the `hype` and stick to the fundamentals. The road will be less bumpy, more clearcut, and easier.
<< <i>Then again their are those who seem to get a raz from finding problems with everything....I know who they are...and generally do not pay attention. >>
<< <i>lots of shady sellers out there on ebay and I think it's good they are pointed out by forum members but I agree it does get carried away sometimes. mike >>
I agree. There`s alot of good that do come from alerting people about some of the e-bay fraud and rip-offs. It`s not a perfect place here on the forums and I`ve taken things too far myself.
There`s alot of good still here on the forums and that needs to be nurtured and protected.
So Snake...shut up!
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I was almost done complaining.....which will be followed by a post recommending some dealers I have found to be good guys.
"Then again their are those who seem to get a raz from finding problems with everything...I know who they are....and generally do not pay attention. "
We've been here quite a while and apparently have some degree of tolerance for pain so we have learned who to ignore.
Unfortunately, on the internet you can't see who has a dried booger held captive between their thumb and index finger, nose hairs that could be braided to save a fair maiden, green/brown/yellow toe nails and a wife beater t-shirt.
Many come, see the parade of whiners and the lack of information and abandon rekindling their interest in coins.
When was the last time someone posted a thread recommending dealers they have done business with?
Or patted a dealer on the back FOR ANYTHING?
<< <i>When was the last time someone posted a thread recommending dealers they have done business with?
Or patted a dealer on the back FOR ANYTHING? >>
I imagine it would turn into a shouting match by those who differ in opinions on that dealer
<< <i>Or patted a dealer on the back FOR ANYTHING? >>
Hey, It's all a matter of how you look at it...a pat on the back is just a botched kick in the ass.
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The best lessons I learned were from making expensive mistakes.
I have paid too much for a coin or two due to the seller's hype or puffing, but now, I have learned just to ignore all that junk and look at the pictures. It doesn't matter to me what GRADE the seller SAYS a coin is.
Anyone here who thinks they can "save the uneducated masses" from getting ripped off is living in a dream world - there are just too too many ignorant folks out there. Occasionally, one of them will venture into our world and do things in the correct order: LEARN and then BUY. THose people have good common sense.
Others BUY and then LEARN (kind of like myself). Their education comes at a somewhat greater price but it serves them just as well.
So - in a nutshell - if it's not a counterfeit, if it's not a stolen pic, if it's not a zero feedbacker selling a $20,000 coin, I, for one, DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IT.
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Now if your an advanced collectors that knows what he’s doing that’s one thing but there are many novices that you can seek out and try to get “lucky”. In pocket watches which is like grading a raw coin if you’re an advanced collector and don’t describe the flaws you know are there or claim they’re “mint” when they’re not that’s wrong and many do it on purpose. If it's in a PCGS or NGC holder I won't question the grade at this time but I do look at the coins, I assume they know more than most of us.
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<< <i>When was the last time someone posted a thread recommending dealers they have done business with? >>
Try Sept. 1, 2004!!!!I got a full 4 responces while one about bad dealers went a few pages. I guess some people on here just like to hear themselves bi-tch!
Ken
I tried to thank/recommend coin lieutenant in a recent thread, but I'm not sure if he would consider himself a dealer. I would always recommend Laura, even though I can't afford her stuff......
BTW, could somebody PM me with a list of names of those who are so constantly negative that everyone ignores them?? I keep reading references to these certain people, and I'm not really sure who I should be ignoring.... besides majorbigdeal, of course....
I formerly started a new thread and for newps on these boards and gave credit to the dealer who sold me the coin. I decided against this practice when the coins became more expensive (compared to the average coin bought/sold by forum members). I did not want to create resentment or to look as if I was bragging about my good fortune.
The dealers from whom I purchase coins are well known to the forum members. One receives a lot of publicity here (Steve/Legend), one receives a little publicity (Doug Winter/Pinnacle), and the other (Al Adams/Gold Rush Gallery) gets zero publicity here. Al is a great guy, honest, knowledgeable, and well-known and well-liked by those who collect Southern gold. I have had only a handful of non-positive (mostly neutral) experiences and would never use this forum to embarrass anyone over them unless it was fraudulent or extremely unethical.
On my website, I give credit to the dealers and advanced collectors who have helped me with my collection. Many here fancy themsleves as do-it-yourself'ers. I give them a lot of credit, but I know that for my own collecting purposes, I need expert help.
But can anyone remember anything negative being posted about Mark Feld? What about Julian Leidman? I can't. Both are aces in my book, experts at what they do and dealers I would recommend highly.
I'm sure there's a relevant kotowaza for this situation, probably about a nail that sticks up higher than the others, but those who are highest profile have to expect some pot shots. The guys who are low key don't get the dissing, but they don't get the publicity either.
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