..... an estimated grade of MS60. However, we have to warn you our coins are graded by a person whose eye sight is failing; therefore, it would be prudent for you to check the pictures that were provided in order for you to judge the grade of this coin.
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Penny for your thoughts
We will give you a penny for your thoughts but you must give us your two cents worth. Now if we had a penny for everyone who is willing to put their two cents in we would never work a day in our life. Well we gave up working a long time ago for it is just a matter of perception. You are working when you are doing something you have to do and you are not working when you are doing something you want to do. Everyone has a choice, you either like the things you have to do or you don't. If you choose not to like the things you that you have to do then you are working. Since, this is a choice that is entirely up to the person choosing we chose to like what we do and that is why we have not worked for more than thirty years.
Since we like what we are doing we must do what we can to preserve it and we are doing that right now. The next paragraph will address the issues that we have been made aware of today.
When we decided to go into business of selling coins we were looking for something that would set us apart. We had collected a few coins in the short period of time that we took up this hobby and we had completed a set complete set of Morgan and Peace dollars and were working on the Barbers. We had plenty of extras so we decided to sell coins; however, our coins were just like other sellers and they had better feedbacks than us. We believe that if we did sell our coins it would not garner half of the price we paid for them. Then we met a dealer who showed us these beautifully toned coins. We were taken by their beauty and we thought it would elicit the same reaction from our bidders. We traded the complete Morgan and Peace collection plus some other coins and more than half the Barbers we collected for the dealer’s entire toned collection. There are insinuations that these coins are artificially toned. Such claim was based on nothing more than the pictures on our listing. According to Merriam Webster the word ARTIFICIAL means “humanly contrived often on a natural model : MAN-MADE <an artificial limb> <artificial diamonds>” and MAN-MADE “means manufactured, created, or constructed by human beings; specifically : SYNTHETIC”
If we are to take the definition of the term artificial in the broadest sense of the word it would mean that an artificially toned coin is a coin that would not otherwise be toned if Man had nothing to do with them. If that is the case we can assure our bidders that all toned coins that exist today are artificially toned. If we were to use the narrower interpretation of the word then unless the coin has been painted there are no coins that are artificially toned. If PCGS or other coin grading service refuses to grade the coins even if it meets the criteria for toned coins then they should not be allowed to grade the so called Monster toned coins, target toned coins or any other coin that are toned. If they do then they are guilty of anti-trust for there is no justification for the refusal to grade a coin that conforms to their standards except to control free enterprise. We think that the only reason a toned coin would be refused is the amount of film that covers it for that would hamper the graders ability to grade the coin properly. Therefore, any coin that has an acceptable amount of film will be graded for there are no provisions stating that an artificially toned coin cannot be graded. Furthermore, there is no scientifically proven method that would accurately determine if a coin is artificially toned or not.
We believe that anything sold is only worth what the buyer is willing to pay for it and the buyer should be the ultimate judge of what the item is worth. Of course if the buyer does not have the faculties to know what he or she wants then that buyer should not bid on any of our auctions. In defense of our coins we would like to point out the fact that they are unique one and could be regarded as one of a kind for there are none like them. If they were artificially toned then there should be no problems making duplicates of them.
There is a very interesting article which states the old maxim buy the coin not the slab and you can read it by click on this link http://rg.ancients.info/guide/slabs.html
We apologize to those whose feathers are raffled by our refusal to conform with the popular opinion for we are certain that the popularity of any opinion does not determine the correctness of its message. We cannot sue each and every person who has written disparaging remarks about our listings; however, if PCGS is in any way shape or form instigated, aided or facilitated the rumors that causes the loss of our capacity to generate revenue we shall use any and all means including but not limited to bringing action against PCGS to mitigated the damage that they through their board have caused. We prefer not to be adversarial but we have no choice. The coins we traded for the ones we now have was purchased at a substantial cost to us and we refuse to believe that what we got in return is worthless.
Speaking of worthless, how can anyone say that a coin like the Oregon Trail is worthless? In our opinion nothing that is being auctioned at the moment could compare with the esthetic beauty of that coin including a Deep Mirror MS65 1893s of course that coin will not be auctioned at eBay but if it is we will put our coin against it. If sheer beauty is the question at bar we believe that anyone who does not know how much the 1893s Morgan Dollar is worth would pick our coin. Even if one prefers the 1893s over our Oregon Trail we doubt that the difference in appearance is worth more than $399,980.00. We had to pay $53,000 for the MS62 we purchased and we thought that was a deal; however, in our opinion the coins we own now is infinitely more pleasing than the ones we gave up. If the world does not appreciate them it’s their loss and our excuse to keep all the coins. I just have to work another year which is no big deal either.
Update 9-29-2004
We are addressing the issue of our coins toning. There were allegations that they were artificially toned and these allegations were made without the benefit of an actual test. Since, the coins come from a dealer who we traded part of our collection with we called his office for some answers. Unfortunately he was not available at the time but he got back yesterday and he told us how the coins receive their toning. The story was verified and we will share it with the winner should the winner be interested in hearing it. There is a strong possibility that the event and other variables that caused the coins to be toned may not happen again. Regardless of the fact that the story is real it would still be viewed as a story and to be perfectly candid we were skeptical until we spoke to the person who gave the coins to the dealer. Be that as it may the real issue at bar is how can we protect our bidders from artificially toned coins? The dealer explained to us that coin doctors paint the coin with chemicals and the reaction is what caused the toning; he assured us that in the event that any of the toned coins originating from him were proven to contain the chemicals that coin doctors use to artificially induce toning he will take the coin back. Furthermore he guarantees that the toning was not achieved through any man made process. As far as we’re concern artificial toning is something that man created and if toning is achieved without the interference of man then the coin is naturally toned regardless of the process in which it achieved that toning. We extended that guarantee to those who purchase the coin or win it from our auctions. We will take any of our coins back and pay the reasonable expenses that the winner incurred should proof be given that the coin from us were artificially toned. The guarantee does not include a third parties refusal to grade the coins due to the amount of film that covers them. If the film has grown too thick that the coin could not be graded and should the winner decide to return these coins we will accept the coins back if the winner aggress to pay the shipping and the fees paid to eBay. Furthermore, there will be no provisions that void the winner’s ability to return the coin except for the time which we will set at 30 days from the time the coin is received. We believe that this is a fair and equitable policy for all parties involved and this policy will be effective immediately retroactive to the time we started listing these coins.
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..... an estimated grade of MS60. However, we have to warn you our coins are graded by a person whose eye sight is failing; therefore, it would be prudent for you to check the pictures that were provided in order for you to judge the grade of this coin.
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Penny for your thoughts
We will give you a penny for your thoughts but you must give us your two cents worth. Now if we had a penny for everyone who is willing to put their two cents in we would never work a day in our life. Well we gave up working a long time ago for it is just a matter of perception. You are working when you are doing something you have to do and you are not working when you are doing something you want to do. Everyone has a choice, you either like the things you have to do or you don't. If you choose not to like the things you that you have to do then you are working. Since, this is a choice that is entirely up to the person choosing we chose to like what we do and that is why we have not worked for more than thirty years.
Since we like what we are doing we must do what we can to preserve it and we are doing that right now. The next paragraph will address the issues that we have been made aware of today.
When we decided to go into business of selling coins we were looking for something that would set us apart. We had collected a few coins in the short period of time that we took up this hobby and we had completed a set complete set of Morgan and Peace dollars and were working on the Barbers. We had plenty of extras so we decided to sell coins; however, our coins were just like other sellers and they had better feedbacks than us. We believe that if we did sell our coins it would not garner half of the price we paid for them. Then we met a dealer who showed us these beautifully toned coins. We were taken by their beauty and we thought it would elicit the same reaction from our bidders. We traded the complete Morgan and Peace collection plus some other coins and more than half the Barbers we collected for the dealer’s entire toned collection. There are insinuations that these coins are artificially toned. Such claim was based on nothing more than the pictures on our listing. According to Merriam Webster the word ARTIFICIAL means “humanly contrived often on a natural model : MAN-MADE <an artificial limb> <artificial diamonds>” and MAN-MADE “means manufactured, created, or constructed by human beings; specifically : SYNTHETIC”
If we are to take the definition of the term artificial in the broadest sense of the word it would mean that an artificially toned coin is a coin that would not otherwise be toned if Man had nothing to do with them. If that is the case we can assure our bidders that all toned coins that exist today are artificially toned. If we were to use the narrower interpretation of the word then unless the coin has been painted there are no coins that are artificially toned. If PCGS or other coin grading service refuses to grade the coins even if it meets the criteria for toned coins then they should not be allowed to grade the so called Monster toned coins, target toned coins or any other coin that are toned. If they do then they are guilty of anti-trust for there is no justification for the refusal to grade a coin that conforms to their standards except to control free enterprise. We think that the only reason a toned coin would be refused is the amount of film that covers it for that would hamper the graders ability to grade the coin properly. Therefore, any coin that has an acceptable amount of film will be graded for there are no provisions stating that an artificially toned coin cannot be graded. Furthermore, there is no scientifically proven method that would accurately determine if a coin is artificially toned or not.
We believe that anything sold is only worth what the buyer is willing to pay for it and the buyer should be the ultimate judge of what the item is worth. Of course if the buyer does not have the faculties to know what he or she wants then that buyer should not bid on any of our auctions. In defense of our coins we would like to point out the fact that they are unique one and could be regarded as one of a kind for there are none like them. If they were artificially toned then there should be no problems making duplicates of them.
There is a very interesting article which states the old maxim buy the coin not the slab and you can read it by click on this link http://rg.ancients.info/guide/slabs.html
We apologize to those whose feathers are raffled by our refusal to conform with the popular opinion for we are certain that the popularity of any opinion does not determine the correctness of its message. We cannot sue each and every person who has written disparaging remarks about our listings; however, if PCGS is in any way shape or form instigated, aided or facilitated the rumors that causes the loss of our capacity to generate revenue we shall use any and all means including but not limited to bringing action against PCGS to mitigated the damage that they through their board have caused. We prefer not to be adversarial but we have no choice. The coins we traded for the ones we now have was purchased at a substantial cost to us and we refuse to believe that what we got in return is worthless.
Speaking of worthless, how can anyone say that a coin like the Oregon Trail is worthless? In our opinion nothing that is being auctioned at the moment could compare with the esthetic beauty of that coin including a Deep Mirror MS65 1893s of course that coin will not be auctioned at eBay but if it is we will put our coin against it. If sheer beauty is the question at bar we believe that anyone who does not know how much the 1893s Morgan Dollar is worth would pick our coin. Even if one prefers the 1893s over our Oregon Trail we doubt that the difference in appearance is worth more than $399,980.00. We had to pay $53,000 for the MS62 we purchased and we thought that was a deal; however, in our opinion the coins we own now is infinitely more pleasing than the ones we gave up. If the world does not appreciate them it’s their loss and our excuse to keep all the coins. I just have to work another year which is no big deal either.
Update 9-29-2004
We are addressing the issue of our coins toning. There were allegations that they were artificially toned and these allegations were made without the benefit of an actual test. Since, the coins come from a dealer who we traded part of our collection with we called his office for some answers. Unfortunately he was not available at the time but he got back yesterday and he told us how the coins receive their toning. The story was verified and we will share it with the winner should the winner be interested in hearing it. There is a strong possibility that the event and other variables that caused the coins to be toned may not happen again. Regardless of the fact that the story is real it would still be viewed as a story and to be perfectly candid we were skeptical until we spoke to the person who gave the coins to the dealer. Be that as it may the real issue at bar is how can we protect our bidders from artificially toned coins? The dealer explained to us that coin doctors paint the coin with chemicals and the reaction is what caused the toning; he assured us that in the event that any of the toned coins originating from him were proven to contain the chemicals that coin doctors use to artificially induce toning he will take the coin back. Furthermore he guarantees that the toning was not achieved through any man made process. As far as we’re concern artificial toning is something that man created and if toning is achieved without the interference of man then the coin is naturally toned regardless of the process in which it achieved that toning. We extended that guarantee to those who purchase the coin or win it from our auctions. We will take any of our coins back and pay the reasonable expenses that the winner incurred should proof be given that the coin from us were artificially toned. The guarantee does not include a third parties refusal to grade the coins due to the amount of film that covers them. If the film has grown too thick that the coin could not be graded and should the winner decide to return these coins we will accept the coins back if the winner aggress to pay the shipping and the fees paid to eBay. Furthermore, there will be no provisions that void the winner’s ability to return the coin except for the time which we will set at 30 days from the time the coin is received. We believe that this is a fair and equitable policy for all parties involved and this policy will be effective immediately retroactive to the time we started listing these coins.