presidential review results on a 1960 MS65FBL, should i crack it out?

pow012000

I sent in my 1960 PCGS MS65FBL i just got graded last month in for a president review (of course no upgrade) but i was wondering what you all thought if i should crack it out and resubmit....the comments that David Hall put on it was
"minor marks and abraisions", at the bottom he put Nice coin but not quite 66FBL" now the other comments is real interesting he said " wispy lines in the hair (top of head) probably a wipe"
I know the coin is not wiped because it was bought from an old guy that knew nothing of coins and was placed and sealed in a roll back in 1960 (date on the roll).... What you all think any expericed people out there??

ziggy29

I think I'll withhold judgment unless I can see a very good picture that might point to what HRH was describing.

pow012000

Sorry i cant really get a pic that would show very well, what you think about the comments?

Russ

The wispy lines might very well be roll friction.

Russ, NCNE

pow012000

Good point Russ....do you think i should try it again?

Russ

Without detailed images, that's impossible to say.

Russ, NCNE

kieferscoins

<< <i>I know the coin is not wiped because it was bought from an old guy that knew nothing of coins and was placed and sealed in a roll back in 1960 (date on the roll).... What you all think any expericed people out there?? >>



Anything is possible. I don't care how old the guy, he could still have given it a wipe. Non coin people do it MORE often then coin people.

Cameron Kiefer

pow012000

nope, no chance at all, the roll was sealed way back then.....

keets

hey David

your insistence that the roll was sealed way back in 1960 and nothing could have happened should probably be eased a bit. i'm not trying to say the coin was wiped and perhaps Russ is correct in his assessment that it could be roll friction. however, you should at least be openminded about all possibilities. you really have no way of knowing with certainty that something wasn't done to the coin prior to your ownership.

with all that said, it appears HRH gave it a close perusal and liked the coin, grading it MS65FBL+ but not what you want, MS66FBL.

al h.

editted to add-----because it was bought from an old guy who knew nothing about coins. these are exactly the types of people who damage coins through ignorance.

Shamika

<< <i>the comments that David Hall put on it was... "wispy lines in the hair (top of head) probably a wipe". >>


It really doesn't matter whether or not the coin had been wiped by the former owner. They key is that the graders (David Hall in this case) have observed what APPEARS to be a wipe.

This kind of scenario holds true for all situations when grading. FOR INSTANCE, it doesn't matter that your beautifully colored Peace dollar is in truth NT. If the graders say it LOOKS artificially toned, then it may as well have been articially toned. Follow me?

dorkkarl

<< <i>should i crack it out? >>

the answer to this question is basically always "yes".

K S

pow012000

Thank you all for te words and yes its true that you never know what happens to coins before you buy them, but just seeing how this guy had the coins stored andthe condition of the rolls (clear rolls that were taped up with that tape that looks sooo old) .. not 100% sure but pretty close to 100%....also its true what the graders thinks goes.......ill send it off to NGC and see what they will say (keep it in the PCGS holder) thanks again you all David D

sliderider

I'd probably submit it to NGC if PCGS won't give you the grade you want, and the coin looks really exceptional (it must or you wouldn't have gone for presidential review). If it doesn't bump in the NGC holder, you might still manage to earn a star designation, which will at least differentiate yours from all the other 65s out there. It may not carry the same premium as a bump to 66, but it's better than nothing.

pow012000

what does a star mean??
thanks David

kieferscoins

Star means excellent eye appeal.

Cameron Kiefer

Dog97

Just because it was bought from an old guy that knew nothing of coins and was placed and sealed in a roll back in 1960 means nothing as far as the wipe is concerned. How did he get it into the roll? He picked it up with his fingers and slid it down into the paper roll. The *wipe* is probably finger or paper rub.

pow012000

Ok, maybe im confussed here, im thinking a "wipe" is that someone tried to clean the coin......not just a little rub up against another coin or his finger.........what is a wipe???? thank you

JrGMan2004

<< <i>Thank you all for te words and yes its true that you never know what happens to coins before you buy them, but just seeing how this guy had the coins stored andthe condition of the rolls (clear rolls that were taped up with that tape that looks sooo old) .. not 100% sure but pretty close to 100%....also its true what the graders thinks goes.......ill send it off to NGC and see what they will say (keep it in the PCGS holder) thanks again you all David D >>

Honestly, this doesn't sound like an "original roll that was sealed in 1960." You have just about 0 proof of this fact, except your reasoning that the tap looks soooo old, in your estimation. You don't know what kind of enviornment that may have been subjected to that might make tape look "sooo old."