How do you feel about coin shows that do not allow licensed citizens to conceal carry

wingedliberty

I spoke with the promoter of the Sarasota Coin Show listed in Coin World for Oct. 29-31. Frank Cox. ,phone number: 941-954-0202., listed in Coin World. He said that he does not permit licensed concealed carry permit holders to bring firearms to the show. They do searches and probably frisk you at the door. I told him he was a communist and hung up on him. , prior to that I told him I would make it a point to tell everybody that he does not permit lawful citizens to defend themselves agaist potential muggings and attacks.
How many of you dealers and collectors feel safe traveling with thousands of dollars worth of coins?. In this day and age, if you feel lucky, then go for it. As a former victim of a violent crime that almost killed me., I wish you all the luck in the world. I prefer FBI statistics to guide my travels.

ss350camaro

carry it in your briefcase

Bobk

Why dont you tell him how you really feel I always felt I would rather be juried by 12 than be carried by 6. Bob

mintluster

I am all for the 2nd amendment and Americans rights to own and carry firearms, but he has a right to bar you from bringing firearms into the coin show.
Certainly you have seen many other places with a similiar situation.
Your concealed carry license does not mean you can walk around all over the U.S. and go into any establishment you want with a firearm. Try going to some nightclubs in Washington DC (or most any city) with your firearm and a license and see what they tell you. Same thing.

wingedliberty

All valid points. I will speak with my dollar and not attend and make it a point to also tell all of the dealers and local collectors and here as well. He will excercise his rights, and I will excercise mine.

airplanenut

At least you reminded him that he was a communist... good job. Now call the airport and see if you can bring one there if you're flying to a show and carrying lots of coins. Good luck.

kieferscoins

I've never been to a national, regional or local show where they frisked or metal detected people entering. I bet he doesn't either at his show.

Cameron Kiefer

goose3

Here's my thoughts......

The promoter is entitled to make that choice much like a grocer, or store owner, etc......(Liquor establishments are a No No countrywide as far as I know) BUT it makes me wonder Why some of these people do not permit firearms carried legally on LAW ABIDING citizens.

What if some crook sneaks a gun into a show or walks into a grocery store that refuses to allow guns and proceeds to rob it or someone inside???

My point is, rules such as that only hurt people that obey law. You can make all the rules and laws you want governing all types of guns and situations but you will NEVER control criminals and the way that they obtain and use guns.


I personally will not boycott anyplace for such a thing but do feel that if people put a bit more thought into the subject that they might reconsider and permit guns.

I would have to suspect that the promoter of that show has basically no knowledge of firearms, firearms laws, and/or criminal activity. That or he/she is scared of having some "Clint Eastwood" type at the show ready to draw down on someone at the blink of an eye.

I'll be the first to admit that here in Ohio the test and background that a civilian must pass in order to carry conceal is somewhat of a joke but I think the good of carrying outweighs the bad.


Brian....Do you have a file on him now?

mgoodm3

May be a liability issue. Like allowing pregnent women on a rollercoaster.

ScarsdaleCoin

Good to carry, but I remind you to practice fire AT LEAST 1x PER MONTH!!!!
I like to shoot weekly but I will tell the story of 1 dealer whom I invited to my club to shoot because I did not think he had fired his weapon in a few years....turns out he did not fire it in almost 6 years....hey it only jammed twice on him that afternoon....needless to say, I convinced him to choose a different pistol that was a tad more suited to him.......

Practice Safety!

goose3

I'm waiting on a price on this one from the local guy...

mdwoods

I'd feel better if all the dealer were armed, but knowing how emotional collectors can get, I'm not sure that's a good idea.

Nice pistol Goose.

Goldfinger

Arm yourselves with knowledge. You'll be much safer.

Fairlaneman

If you want protection at the coin show get the Miami Football team. Either they will protect you or Rob you. Heck you have a 50/50 chance of being safe.

Florida State would probably work also.

Ken

goose3

FLM
they don't call them the CRIMINOLES for nothing!

keets

hey Brian

i kind of think that your reaction to the show promoter was a bit more irrational than his refusal to allow firearms in his show. look at it another way-------you condemn his rightful excercise of his rights which you perceive as denying you your rights. is that sensible?? add to that the attitude of "I'll show you, I'll hurt me" by refusing to attend the show.

methinks you have overreacted a bit. i fail to see the link between his refusal and being a communist. can you please clarify that for me??

thanks.

al h.

291fifth

It's his show and I'm sure he has good reasons for the rule prohibiting concealed weapons. If you don't like his rule then don't attend. The danger factor is one reason I see the internet being the place where more and more coin transactions will take place. You are right in saying it is dangerous to travel with coins.

earlwbollinger

It's all about insurance and liability nowadays.
Plus the building owners where the show is to be held may be more against it than the promoter.
Then there are state, county and city laws and or ordinaces that you have to contend with.

The criminal has all the rights, you shoot a criminal and it may be within your rights to do so, but it still won't stop the multi-million dollar lawsuits, against
everyone involved. Heaven forbid if a innocent gets caught in the middle.

magikbilly

"How do you feel about coin shows that do not allow licensed citizens to conceal carry.."

Honestly, as a consumer in the crowd peering at dimes - a heck of a lot less likely to get shot. My humble .02

Billy

Bear

There is not a guy walking around ,that doesnt carry

a concealed weapon in his pants.

Fairlaneman

How about the guy that lost his in Virginia, I think it was, a couple of years ago ?

ms70

I have recently "heard" that in some states property owners can't simply say you can't carry on their property. It must be posted in
specific terms for it to be a valid enforceable request. Anyone else ever hear of this? I think Texas may be one of those states?

Anyway, I would boycott such a show. How stupid could they possibly be? Going in & out of a coin show exposes you to a higher risk of
being robbed- A fact I'm sure we all agree upon. So why would some stooge want people that are higher than normal risks to be MORE
vunerable? Some people need to see beyond the liberal "soccer mom" smoke screen.

Dave99B

"How do you feel about coin shows that do not allow licensed citizens to conceal carry?"

I'm fine with it. It's a private coin show, pal. If he wants you to wear a size 8 pink dress in order to get in, he can do that too. He has rights, just like you do. Last I checked, America was still in business!

You did the right thing, you took your business elsewhere.

BTW, calling him a “communist” seems a bit extreme......did he call you a Right-Wing Wacko first?

Dave

tradedollarnut

I'd just as soon not attend a show that allowed hot heads to carry concealed weapons....I might get caught in the shoot out that breaks out when one of them calls the other a communist.

relayer

<< <i>A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. >>



Yep - the framers clearly meant everyone has an absolute Constitutional Right to take a gun to a coin show.




<< <i>I have recently "heard" that in some states property owners can't simply say you can't carry on their property. It must be posted in
specific terms for it to be a valid enforceable request. Anyone else ever hear of this? I think Texas may be one of those states? >>



Yes, Texas allows pretty much anyone to carry a concealed weapon and it has to be posted on private property that is open to the public that the owner doesn't allow it, so you see those (/) gun signs most everywhere. What's funny is that it's even posted at the Airport




<< <i>I'd just as soon not attend a show that allowed hot heads to carry concealed weapons....I might get caught in the shoot out that breaks out when one of them calls the other a communist. >>

MyWorldCoinTypeSet

I told him he was a communist and hung up on him.

What does someone's views on guns have to do with being a communist?

wingedliberty

Thanks for the thoughtful responses. (most of them.). It comes down to what I said earlier. He will excercise his rights and I will excercise mine. I will speak with my wallet and tell others who carry about his draconian practices.
Scarscdale:
I shoot every weekend and belong to several gun clubs and ranges. Marksmanship, safety, and responsibility are not at issue.

mrearlygold

I see, so a state license should make all of us "feel" ok about anyone who allegedly has one, bringing a gun inside a coin show.

And you call "him" a communist.


Funny.


Tom

Barry

It's his show. He makes the rules (which make sense to me. I agree with TDN). You don't have to play if you don't like them.

You can always give your gun to one of the smokers outside for safe keeping, while you go inside

foodude

I've had at least one show sponsor say no guns because of the terms in the applicable insurance policy.

baccaruda

Perfectly within his rights in my opinion. I would think he'd rather deal with a theft and insurance recovery than a shootout at the O.K. corral with 200 hardcore right-wingers and 1,000 innocent bystanders. I'm sure the insurance company would too.

mgoodm3

I would be willing to bet it's an insurance/liability problem. If he allows guns at the show and you have an accident and someone gets shot his ass will be in court paying out a large civil suit. If he says no guns and you bring one into the show and someone gets shot he may still get his ass in court but will be able to say that you broke the rules of not having guns at the show.

Tsimmerdown

I think calling him "communist" and "draconian" is a little extreme. I agree the right to bear arms, and if you have a definite concern about safety at a coin show. I'm certain that the ban on firearms at a coin show has little to do with the promoter's personal view on handguns, but has more to do with insurance or the rules of the rented facility. So blaming the promoter isn't necessarily fair.

If you feel strongly in this regard, don't attend the show.. you made the right choice. However, there are generic suggestions which might make you feel comfortable at shows where you can't carry a personal firearm with you on site. Consider parking close to the entrance if possible. Keep your handgun locked in your vehicle. Leave the show with several friends or with a group of people.. thieves are less likely to attack you in a crowded parking lot close to the entrance. More likely, a theif would try and follow you to a less conspicous location, in which you would have the firearm with you in the car for your protection.

baccaruda

I agree with Tsimmer. Have an armed friend escort you from the parking lot to the facility and back again afterwards. I highly doubt someone's going to accost you at the show proper, but rather afterwards or before.

MS68

I understand the safety concerns for those of you that carry coins to a show. I believe it would be a good idea to be able to check in your weapons at the door of a show and then you could pick them up when you leave. As far as anyone being allowed to walk in a show armed to the teeth, I have no interest in setting up at a show where I could have a gun pulled on me at my table.

wingedliberty

How many of you have ever been held up or attacked violently?

magikbilly

<< <i>How many of you have ever been held up or attacked violently? >>



No offense (at all, and I am sorry you were the victim of a crime), but isn't that like asking how many of us are unbiased regarding the issue?

Billy

wingedliberty

You have a point. You are right.

ldhair

<< <i>How many of you have ever been held up or attacked violently? >>


More than once.

How did the topic of guns come up in your call?
Did you ask or did he bring it up?

wingedliberty

I asked him specifically, that was my only intention for the call. I wanted to know ahead of time so if I was frisked at the entrance, I would not have wasted my time and would have to turn back.

ldhair

In my state the idea is to not let others know you carry.
If the business post a no carry sign you must honor it.
Some law inforcement and others boycott these places.

I don't ask but will honor there right to post the sign.
Insurance companys have a real problem with this issue.
It's big bucks. Just my take on this.

SarasotaFrank

they don't "frisk" you at the sarasota coin show - but they do look in any carry ons. I have attended that show armed the last two years.

it's why God made ankle holsters

wingedliberty

Frank:
Its a matter of principal now., and you are taking a big risk, they can escort you out at their leisure.
I never cared for ankle holsters, I prefer inner pocket and belt holsters.

Outhaul

I don't see the point of dragging this thread on ad nauseum...the show promoter exercised HIS rights (regardless of how you feel personally) and you exercised YOUR rights. Case dismissed...

Cheers,

Bob

topstuf

I have CCW. I have been robbed at gunpoint while unarmed.
At coin show......ONE......time, I had a suspicious "follower" on the bourse.
He changed direction every time I did and only looked at me.....not any coins.
I.......illegally.......allowed my jacket to flop while he was looking and he saw my gun.
He skedaddled.
My greatest concern is ....leaving....the show. Parking garages make me jumpy.
I go through a parking garage like a freeking ninja. Never close to a pole and watching....through.... car windows for anyone.

I will carry to all shows.

If challenged, I will let every dealer know that I will not be viewing their stuff. Create a scene if necessary.
I qualify yearly and take the "legal update" every 3 years as required.

My gun goes wherever I want except the prohibited places printed on the license. Which are schools and bars.


Edited to add that in my opinion, a gun in a briefcase is worse than no gun because that briefcase is what they're gonna grab. THEN you get the liability of not controlling your gun.

ms70

wingedliberty

topstuff:
Very well said.

wingedliberty

Dog97

I really give less than a dam what the coin show says.
What matters to me is what the law says.

Mine says:
<<<Your license does not authorize you to carry a pistol into any establishment that serves alcohol or to be in possession of a pistol while consuming alcohol.

Your license does not authorize you to carry a pistol inside an airport, courthouse or any other public building that specifically prohibits firearms. This includes city, state, and federal facilities.

Your license does not authorize you to carry a pistol at any public gathering such as sporting events, political events, parades, etc. (Title 13A-11-59)>>>

Which really doesn't make much sense because those places have the greatest danger of being a victim of violent crime.

wingedliberty

Exactly right Dog97.