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Paypal tightening the screws on Personal accounts

BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
Got this email today:

Currently PayPal's policy states that Personal Accounts are able to receive
$1,000.00 USD per month from eBay, auction, or website sales.

To ensure a level playing field for all PayPal members who sell online,
PayPal is reducing the amount Personal Accounts are able to receive.
Beginning November 4, 2004, the receiving limit for all Personal Accounts
will be $500.00 USD per month.


How long before Personal accounts can't receive any money without charge?

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  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Must not be getting enough people to change at the $1,000 level. Funny how they hate it when you use a CC to pay, but want you to pay the fees to receive money as if you do.
    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 13,991 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Even if it doesn't happen soon, I suspect it will happen inevitably.
    When in doubt, don't.
  • jbstevenjbsteven Posts: 6,178
    personally I think there should be a fee for all Paypal transactions. They are providing a service.
  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Paypal makes plenty of money off of me, and I have a personal account.
    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
  • Sellers with personal accounts who do more than $500 in transactions will just instruct buyers not to mention that the payment is for an ebay item and remove the paypal links from their listings. The limit does not apply to items sold outside ebay.
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  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    At even a $1000 limit, it's a useless service. And God pity you if you ever DO get a "limit" on your account. Be prepared to send them copies of your driver's license AND a ....letter....from your bank to prove that you are you. However, you can get your money if you authorize ADDITIONAL fees to be charged.

    Oh yeah, also be prepared that you can discuss NOTHING with them as they require all contact to be by FAX on ......their..... form.

    Or at least that's what they did to me when (after years of service when we had the shop) I converted to a ...personal......ahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaa......account.

    If someone can't put a check in the mail, I don't need their "hurry, hurry, hurry" purchase.

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  • HTubbsHTubbs Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭
    That sure stinks,it's bad enough that when you have a premier account to accept credit cards they charge for cash transfers!image
    Maybe all us coin collecters ought to boycott Paypal till they lower their fees!
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>That sure stinks,it's bad enough that when you have a premier account to accept credit cards they charge for cash transfers!image
    Maybe all us coin collecters ought to boycott Paypal till they lower their fees! >>

    Go ahead. As long as the convenience of is bringing in more bidders and higher bids, I still think it's a relative bargain. Now if more *buyers* boycotted PayPal and stopped being drawn to auctions where it's accepted, then the value proposition falls apart.

    Certainly at some level, their fees would more than offset the added interest it brings to my auctions. But I don't think it's reached that point yet.

    [EDITED to add: Though I will say that their stated reason, "to level the playing field," is a crock of smelly stuff. It's obvious -- the reason is to force more people to convert to paid accounts.]
  • Expect both Paypal and Ebay to contiunue to rachet up the fees on a preplanned schedule. They got us where they want us and now its time to tighted the screws.
  • It is all part of the cost of doing business while using their venue and money collection service. Those of you who want to play will eventually have to pay. That is what it amounts to in the long run.
    In an insane society, a sane person will appear to be insane.
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    [sarcasm] yeah! I'm sick and tired of these companies who refuse to provide their convenient services to me for free![/sarcasm]

    I agree with jbsteven and eagle7 on this one.

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • EBay/PaPal gets paid a fee from the seller for listing the item, a fee from the seller based on the final value of the item, a fee from the buyer if they take buyer optional buyer satisfaction insurance, a fee from the seller if they use EBay's shipping services, and a fee from the seller is they have a store platform. It makes sense that they would collect a fee for transferring the cash from one client to another. image
  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    Baley,
    Part of the complaining (at least from me) is because I joined Paypal in the beginning when part of their motto was "always free." I knew it wouldn't last, but they are overtightening the screws, IMO. I wouldn't mind paying the 2-3% on credit card transactions, because I know it costs money to process them. I've had a credit card merchant account in my office for 10+ years. However, when someone does a bank account transfer or existing balance transfer, and there are NO processing fees for Paypal, that's what bothers me.
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭✭
    echecks are a flat $5 fee tho I don't know what the fee would be on a payment of less than $5.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • RBinTexRBinTex Posts: 4,328
    Amazing how some complain that they may not be able to get something for nothing anymore image

    This little TRICK might make it hurt a little worse image
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They are essentially the only game in town. eBay management is under tremendous pressure to show profit growth in order to keep its very inflated stock price up. It's only a matter of time...and probably not much time.
    Questions like this should always be viewed from a business viewpoint. It's money that dictates their actions of large corporations.
    All glory is fleeting.
  • LincolnCentManLincolnCentMan Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭✭
    Yah, that's what I'm thinking... paypal is doing this, "to insure a level playing field." As a person that already has a premier account, I can assure you that I could care less about that part of the field being level. If I cared about that part being level, I wouldnt even take paypal. The bottom line is that I believe that not accepting paypal costs me bids. That costs me money.

    David
  • goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭
    While I agree paypal SHOULD charge a fee on CREDIT CARD transactions, I don't think they should on the other ones.

    I have a personal account and was going to list some stuff on ebay but will now have to go over it closely to insure that I remain under their limit.


    the 1,000.00 limit......is that PER calendar month or per any 30 day period??
  • I have to agree with those on PayPal's side.

    First off, trying to boycott PayPal, which is now owned by ebay, is as ridiculous as saying we all need to start listing our coins and only buying over at bidville.com (someone posted that last week, and I still find it quite funny).

    They're a monopoly. Like Microsoft. However, unlike your PC, you still have the choice to take US Postal Money Orders. If you like PayPal, you need to play by their rules.
    David
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I still don't understand why people think a SERVICE should be FREE.

    introductory, promotion periods aside (which paypal used at first, to get established) ongoing businesses need to CHARGE for WORK.

    if anyone thinks they can provide, on an ongoing basis, money moving and payment services for less than paypal charges, I don't see why they don't go into the business and compete with paypal.

    I do agree that cash transfers fees should be less than credit card fees, because some of the vig goes to the CC company.

    Other than that, if folks don't like it, they shouldn't use it.

    I find paypal very convenient whether buying or selling, and don't tell them, but I'd probably still use it if they doubled their fees.

    My time is worth a lot more per hour than paypal charges, than it would cost me to deposit and track checks and money orders when selling, and buy money orders and address and stamp payment envelopes.

    yes, I'd rather not pay it. I'd rather not pay for lots of services, including ones that are important to my wife and not me image

    that's just the way it is [shrug]

    if it's too expensive, we stop using a service or shop for an alternative.

    if we need the service, and there's no alternative, I use it and don't beeeatch about it. but that's just me. image

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • PayPal sucks.....just quit using them like the rest of us have done. It's not hard...you get over it.
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭✭
    its per month starting on your monthly anniversary date. Of course if yu take quasi cash payments yu can take way over the limit. Their 3% fee for transferring between accounts is unwarranted IMO.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I find paypal very convenient whether buying or selling, and don't tell them, but I'd probably still use it if they doubled their fees. >>



    If you are selling I would like to see you consistently make money under those terms unless you don't care if you lose.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • I think between ebay fees and paypal fees, times are going to get leaner for sellers. If buyers are forced to pay fees, too, then that will pretty much kill them. I'm now waiting for ebay to start charging a buyers premium for allowing us poor bidders the privilege of shopping there. Buyers premiums are like a doorman charging admission to get into the mall.
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  • ldhairldhair Posts: 7,232 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just for fun I figured up the fees for Paypal and Ebay.
    Basic auction with a few options.

    $10 sell =20.7% in fees
    $20 sell =14.4%
    $30 sell =11.9%
    $50 sell =9.4%

    Not exact but close.
    Larry

  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Currently a seller cannot be assured that he can pass on his expenses to a buyer. He can increase his odds by selling top notch stuff and hope it sells right but this is not always a given either. With increasing fees less and less junk will be listed on eBay.
    A buyer's premium will pretty much be the death knell for a lot of eBay IMO.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • Expect both Paypal and Ebay to contiunue to rachet up the fees on a preplanned schedule. They got us where they want us and now its time to tighted the screws.

    Well, I just think they already make enough money from us - and that prices should not go up any MORE.
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    If you feel it necessary to use paypal then they have a right to charge a reasonable amount for their services. I'd like to see proof that the fees that are charge increase anyone's profitability. In nearly 400 transactions on ebay as both a buyer and a seller I've never used paypal. It's not worth the expense and headaches in dealing with them.
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Exactly Mike. PayPal is a convenience; not a necessity.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • been using paypal for 4 or 5 years. Never had a problem. Auctions, class fees that I accept online, funds for gifts for family members, etc. etc.

    A nice convenience - it shouldn't be free. That would be ridiculous.

    But, on a $349 class fee, they clip me for over $10. That's a little steep.
  • khaysekhayse Posts: 1,336
    I gave up long ago and converted my account.

    I'm against the high fees when receiving money that was already in the Paypal system but many people seem to
    like the quickness of the instant payment.

    Personally there is nothing that I can't wait a week for my money order to get there.

    -KHayse
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So why can they [meaning PreyPal] process a $5000 echeck transaction thru your bank for $5 YET the same transaction from an existing balance requires a fee of around $150?
    theknowitalltroll;

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