1881-CC Morgan Dollar PCGS MS-64 Crossover: Formerly PCI MS-64 PQ -- Photos

Stuart · October 2, 2004 12:26PM

If you like, please guess the grade of this 1881-CC Morgan Dollar. It's been in my collection for about a year, but I only recently photographed it to share with you.

kieferscoins · October 2, 2004 12:28PM

MS-66.

Cameron Kiefer

ConstellatioCollector · October 2, 2004 12:28PM

MS66?

gsaguy · October 2, 2004 12:30PM

MS 65......shot 66.

Can't tell from the photos, but the fields look PL'ish.

GSAGUY

ddbird · October 2, 2004 12:32PM

65PL NIce

ER · October 2, 2004 12:33PM

65, non-CC
66 CC

fountainheadgold · October 2, 2004 12:33PM

65pl, nice coin Stuart

ziggy29 · October 2, 2004 12:33PM

MS-65, maybe 66. Nice!

Baley · October 2, 2004 12:46PM

wow, teriffic coin and photographs!

I like it as a 65PL or a 66.

nwcs · October 2, 2004 12:50PM

66

Stuart · October 2, 2004 1:05PM

Thanks for the posts that you have already made. I'll reveal the grades about mid-day Sunday to give the morning shift a chance to grade them before I divulge the grade.

If you are anxious PM me and I'll reply with the grade.

Aethelred · October 2, 2004 1:05PM

MS-65 PL with a shot at 66.

TommyType · October 2, 2004 1:12PM

65, with some form of PL/DMPL...can't tell which.

Woodwind · October 2, 2004 1:16PM

I'll go with the crowd - MS 65.

Fields look too frosted to be prooflike.

Cam40 · October 2, 2004 1:16PM

64 PL is my wag

Elcontador · October 2, 2004 1:21PM

If they grade the 81 CC like the 83 & 84 CCs, I'd say MS 64 PL. There are IMO too many contact marks in grade sensitive areas on the obverse (the cheek and chin) for this coin to be graded higher. I have one of them in MS 66, and had 2 of them in MS 65 for over 20 years, and am using these three coins as a basis for my opinion.

JRocco · October 2, 2004 1:25PM

64 DMPL

Tassa · October 2, 2004 1:28PM

MS65

Dog97 · October 2, 2004 4:02PM

65 dm

lava · October 2, 2004 4:19PM

ms64

wam98 · October 2, 2004 4:38PM

MS-64PL, nice coin.

Deb048gold · October 2, 2004 4:42PM

MS65

morgannut2 · October 2, 2004 8:05PM

PCGS is harder on this one than your 85cc. Lock MS-65, MS-66 if sent back 5 times to PCGS. Can't see if fields have 3-4" reflectivity for PL.

Stuart · October 2, 2004 11:03PM

All: I'll post the grades around mid-day to give the morning shift a chance to comment. Thanks for the comments received so far!

Stuart · October 3, 2004 12:40AM

The grades for both the 1881-CC and 1885-CC Morgan dollars are:

1881-CC PCI MS-64 PQ (Old Green Border Label) 1885-CC PCI MS-62 DMPL (Old Green Border Label) I plan to crack out both coins (and some others) from the PCI holders, and submit them to PCGS for grading.

Some of these old Green Border Label Slabbed coins appear to be very conservatively (or under) graded...

Tassa · October 3, 2004 4:30AM

Wow.

Stuart · October 3, 2004 5:55AM

Tassa: I believe that the grading services are very critical and conservative when grading th 1881-CC because there are so many very high quality gems available for this date, as opposed to the 1885-CC and the 1880-CC which they are a bit more liberal with.

Stuart · February 16, 2005 10:49AM

I received grades on eight (8) Morgan Dollars which I will post in about a week after receiving the coins back from PCGS. However, I did want to share this PCI "MS-64 PQ" Graded Green Border Label Holder successful crossover (cracked out) to PCGS MS-64.

It is truly a beautiful cameo semi-PL Morgan with some very minor hairlines barely evident in the obverse field near Miss Liberty's chin area.

morgannut2 · February 16, 2005 12:22PM

I don't see the PCI cross as a 64 even considering they're tight on 81CC's with so many nice ones. It should be a 65 unless those hairlines you mention are easily noticed and distracting. Well at least it's super high end. (although I gave it a lock 65)

Stuart · February 16, 2005 12:43PM

Wade: Thanks for your post on my just graded 1881-CC PCGS MS-64 (Cameo Semi-PL) Morgan Dollar which I successfully crossed from an old PCI (Green Label) holder.

The hairlines which I referred to in the obverse field area just to the left of Miss Liberty's chin are barely noticeable in the lower set of photos in my previous post. I am actually very pleased that this coin certified with PCGS as I was concerned that the hairlines may have earned this one of those awful BB's.

The hairlines were not strong enough or obvious enough for me to even notice them prior to cracking the coin out of it's former holder, but were more noticeable after cracking the coin out... This was a good lesson learned to really carefully review the coin for all possible defects prior to cracking it out of it's holder.

SethChandler · February 16, 2005 12:48PM

Nice coin. Gem CC Morgans are special. I just got a 80-CC GSA graded by NGC as a MS65. I think it still has a great shot at a 66, have to do a double crack out, which sucks.

Stuart · February 16, 2005 8:56PM

Seth: Thanks for your post on my 1881-CC Morgan which just successfully crossed from PCI (Green) "MS-64 PQ" to PCGS MS-64.

In my opinion it's got the eye appeal of an MS-65+ because of the beautiful cameo contrast between the snow white frosty devices and the Semi-Prooflike fields.

It will be interesting for me to compare this coin with my Registry Set 1881-CC in PCGS MS-64 PL to see which actually is the prettier coin...

Coinhusker1 · February 16, 2005 9:17PM

Very nice coins, Stuart.

What is the difference in camera settings between the 2 images of your 81-CC?

Stuart · February 16, 2005 10:01PM

<< What is the difference in camera settings between the 2 images of your 81-CC? >>

CoinHusker: Thanks for your post and for your question. The difference between the 2 sets of 1881-CC photos is not in the camera settings, but in the lighting.

The top set of photos were taken in natural sunlight, and the lower set were taken using GE Reveal incandescent lighting (4 bulbs) on my copy stand.

1881-CC Morgan Dollar PCGS MS-64 Crossover: Formerly PCI MS-64 PQ -- Photos

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