Some authentic bag toned Morgans

K6AZ · September 30, 2004 2:45PM

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<< If this coin had remained undisturbed for another twenty or so year, the obverse would have turned the color of my 87 pair. >>

Perhaps... but don't let the appearance of the dark fields mis-lead you. The obverse is very proof-like, with a nice cameo and with just a slight tilt those obverse colors (and the field) brighten up and the mirrors light up the colors. >>

I understand that, but those deep blues and purples are the last colors before going black.

stman · September 30, 2004 2:47PM

You got a problem with going black? Never mind

I seen that Puff.

kyleknap · September 30, 2004 2:49PM

Here's one that was flush against the bag for a LONG time (the shadow effect can also be seen on this coin):

Kyle

puff · September 30, 2004 2:49PM

<< You got a problem with going black? Never mind

I seen that Puff. >>

I thought that was neat when you posted it several months ago.

K6AZ · September 30, 2004 2:52PM

Stman, do you have a large image of the shift coin that we discussed a few months ago?

stman · September 30, 2004 2:53PM

Thanks Puff, I put that set together for my sweet little Granddaughter that loves toned Morgans. But what girl doesn't like pretty colors.

Cool coin Kyle, how is the luster and colors and is it for sale?

stman · September 30, 2004 2:55PM

K6AZ · September 30, 2004 2:58PM

Excellent, thank you. That is a one in a million coin, that would have been a crescent except the bag was moved or nudged a couple of times, and the toning took place in a circular fashion. Once again, a very definitive delineation between the toned and untoned parts of the obverse with the brownish band.

TWQG · September 30, 2004 3:24PM

Too bad LeeG left the party early.
Great thread

K6AZ · September 30, 2004 4:23PM

<< Too bad LeeG left the party early.
Great thread

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Thanks Sean, glad you are enjoying it! No bashing here, just discussing bag toning.

stman · September 30, 2004 4:42PM

<< No bashing here, just discussing bag toning. >>

Hey that's what's wrong here. It's just too pleasant in this thread. Oh well, maybe next time, or the day shift can stir it up a bit.

majorbigtime · September 30, 2004 7:19PM

<< 

<< No bashing here, just discussing bag toning. >>

Hey that's what's wrong here. It's just too pleasant in this thread >>

How refreshing!

I would hazard a guess that a study of toned GSA dollars would yield interesting results, as they should largely be "unmessed with" and are documented to have spent decades in mint bags.

dorkkarl · September 30, 2004 8:16PM

<< Thanks Kyle. I am looking to see if anyone can see what all these coins have in common. What they have in common is something that tells you these are NT coins that came out of a bag. If no one gets it, I'll explain later. >>

it's blatatantly obvious - they're all slabed. that automatically makes em mtk-acceptable.

K S

ibzman350 · September 30, 2004 8:45PM

Eric, thanx for the great lesson.

BTW, I like the coins also,

Herb

mtnman · September 30, 2004 8:46PM

Great post Eric. And super photos of some awsome coins.

Now you need to do a post on using the 4300 to get this kind of pictures.

RotatedRainbows · September 30, 2004 10:11PM

Shadowing around stars on first coin, textile on second.

paigowjohnny · September 30, 2004 11:45PM

sTONER · September 30, 2004 11:56PM

MY fruit stripe gum 84-o

Shamika · October 1, 2004 12:38AM

Great thread guys. Keep them coming!

pharmer · October 1, 2004 1:51AM

Great pics and expanation, thanks. It raises a further question for me, why does the toning then go to blue, red, or green instead of staying yellow-brown or golden. It also seems there is no regularity to the order of the following colors, is there a reason for that also? Thanks again.

Bill

Rob790 · October 1, 2004 2:19AM

Short answer pharmer, it's the physical properties of thin film interference. For a more detailed explanation see my thread on Toning Myths.

pharmer · October 1, 2004 2:28AM

Incredible! Thanks, Rob. A tall cool drink to a man dying of thirst. Finally, underststanding. Hey LeeG, I know you're still out there, what ya think? Great thread, great posts.

Bill

K6AZ · October 1, 2004 2:33AM

<< it's blatatantly obvious - they're all slabed. that automatically makes em mtk-acceptable. >>

Hate to burst your bubble Karl, but this thread has nothing to do about slabs. As a matter of fact, I bought most of those coins raw.

paigowjohnny · October 1, 2004 2:57AM

Beauties Eric....GIMME !!!

Stuart · October 1, 2004 5:31AM

Eric: This is a very informative and interesting thread. Thanks for taking the time to post some excellent digital pix of natural toned Morgans.

coinguy1 · October 1, 2004 5:35AM

Great job, Eric and others - thanks.

K6AZ · October 1, 2004 8:44AM

<< Short answer pharmer, it's the physical properties of thin film interference. For a more detailed explanation see my thread on Toning Myths. >>

Thanks for linking this thread, I must have missed it at the time.

Dog97 · October 1, 2004 12:48PM

So...somebody explain this one. I'm absolutely 100% beyond any shadow of a doubt it's original, natural, and market acceptable genuine Mint sack toning and can prove it.
I just can't splain it how it happened.

TonedCoinTrader · October 1, 2004 1:02PM

<<<So...somebody explain this one. I'm absolutely 100% beyond any shadow of a doubt it's original, natural, and market acceptable genuine Mint sack toning and can prove it.
I just can't splain it how it happened.>>>

Possibly moisture/liquid on the mint bag sometime durring storage...

Scott

stman · October 1, 2004 1:54PM

Hey Dog, I can "splain" it. You were out drinking that Mad Dog 20/20 again and when the night was over.... well never mind.
I believe many of these Gsa's the bag did indeed get wet or damp... hence some of the "Not so pretty" tone. I can't prove that though.
As far as Market acceptable, even though it's in a Gsa holder I guess they could still no grade it. Some of the Binions they did this IMO for being "not so pretty." Some were environmental damage.

So I think your coin is either an AT experiment gone bad, or a "not so pretty" GSA. Having said all this I believe I tried buying this baby off you a long time ago.

Aethelred · October 1, 2004 2:31PM

This is a great thread! I have bought all of my nice looking toned coins raw and never (yet) gotten a bb for AT. The key is to look at lots of NT coins and understand what they look like, when you see AT it will just stand out and not look right.

BTW - I am color blind and I think that is really as asset to me. I don't appreciate the colors like you folks do, but I place more weight on the pattern and the way the toning sits on the coin. I appreciate a monster NT coin as much as the next guy, but for different reasons I guess.

ER · October 1, 2004 7:59PM

<< I like these toned Morgans I stole from stman.

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Dog97 · October 3, 2004 4:05AM

I know that was a tough one I posted but only 2 people felt qualified to explain it? Where did all the experts go?
OK, I'll buy the moisture part and it was clearly in the fold of a bag cause you can see the fold line across it and since the blue & purple splotches from the wet bag are in neat little rows from the bag cloth weave that makes it a textile toned Carson City GSA Morgan.
And every time stman & gsaguy tried to buy it from me they told me it was an ugly worthless POS.

TonedCoinTrader · October 3, 2004 5:32AM

Here is an Ugly worthless watter damaged bag tone CC dollar

Stuart · October 3, 2004 6:54AM

TCT: I wouldn't say worthless

K6AZ · October 11, 2004 12:04AM

Bump for JOM and others who may have missed it.

Some authentic bag toned Morgans

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