Selling nickel bags to your friends, buying beer for the local high school kids, returning empty kegs, and whatever this website/grading thing you've got running here hardly qualify as 4 "businesses".
<< <i>well since i make more money than you doing nothing part time, because i am the owner of 4 of my own business's already i highly doubt i will ever have to field test that.b ut you can handle that one.
i dont know why you continue on trying to insult me, when all i was trying to do is get some opinions on a possible new entry into the the market, if you were looking to do something similar i am sure you would test something out before investing any serious money, just makes sense.
I cannot believe the balls of this troll pimping his POS "grading company" on this board. Just what the world needs, another slabbing "specialist" who doesn't know his a$$ from a hole in the ground, putting out a third rate product.
So you have four businesses?
Lemme guess what the other three are
1. Internet porn site for people who have an unhealthy interest in farm animals.
2. A business that spams "Herbal Penile Enhancement Pills" Guaranteed to work!!!
3. An infomercial on how to make millions on the internet (See the first three businesses for what the course entails)
<< <i>you guys seem seem to think you actually accomplished nothing, but in fact you just wasted a few hours of your life. >>
You're a douchebag
I am actively buying MIKE SCHMIDT gem mint baseball cards. Also looking for any 19th century cabinets of Philadephia Nationals. Please PM with additional details.
This turned out to be a hilarious post. The arial picture was more of a joke than anything, but it goes to show how easily someone can cut through the crap and find the real truth. It took me all of 45 seconds to pull it up by the way.
As far as getting a life, it's been made pretty obvious that we all enjoy this, no matter how much time it may seem we spend on here, which for me is usually around 10-15 minutes a day.
I don't know how you could have expected much of a different reaction than you got when you started with the insults, but ultimately, you took the wrong approach. No one here is going to care that you have 4 businesses, whatever they may be. As far as we are concerned, you're a college student looking to make a few dollars, as most college students are. You've pretty much ruined your credibility on here by thinking we were fools though. A parting word of advice, learn how to write/type better, paying more attention to the spelling and punctuation, it'll help you not sound so much like a kid.
didnt say i was a slabbing sepcialst just said i have access to experienced people in the collectable and grading industry which would lower the cost of entry into the market,while i have maybe said one or two insults, you have thrown out multiple ones while i just sit and try to gather information, if you want to act more mature "than a stupid college kid that is just out to buy beer" you would probably have to stop dishing out the insults unless you get your high off doing this to somebody you dont even know.
as i said i was looking for information, and was not "pimping my grading service" because as of right now i dont have one.
just gathering information so if any of you actually have any information or knowledge of the grading business you would like to share that would be great, the thread can continue, as you were providing some solid information in the beginning, but if you are just going to use the thread to try and show who has the biggest balls by throwing out insults on a internet message board, then the thread should probably end as it serves no purpose
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now for real grading companies, that might grade counterfit cards, i bought the mickey mantle how to stop a fake book on ebay and they said pretty much anything in a PRO grading case is suspect.
atleast with the mantles >>
And here we are questioning your qualifications
By the way, does the university sanction student/faculty use of taxpayer funded equipment (computers) for private business enterprises?
<< <i>...because i am the owner of 4 of my own business's already... >>
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<< <i>then the thread should probably end as it serves no purpose >>
Gabe At this point, with all due respect, I have to tell you that this ended before it started. You were not honest and open with your fact gathering. Creating a fictitional web/company for credibility in your "field testing" will not work in this climate. There are too many skeptical viewers who have been burned by questionable grading companies. This is only exaggerated by the ebay sellers who push this crap. I personally think you may be way over your head on this one - as I said before - the amount of experience and expertise that is required to handle trading cards is far more extensive than you may realize. But, I don't want to disparage you for trying and dreaming - just want you to be more realistic. your friend Mike
<< <i>Stone : sometimes it's best to just grab for the porcelain >>
Wolf At this point, I don't know if I can hold on that tight.
did i say ever , that i would be the one grading cards, ugh noactually i said i already knew graders in the business, and i was just trying to help somebody out on the other thread.
so my qualifications about grading have nothing to do with it, i have good business sense and saw a possible opportunity at entering into the market in some way, since i already have experienced graders lined up.
think before you speak, because you just posted another worthless post that makes no sense what so ever.
and as i said if this isnt going tobe a worthwhile thread with information on the grading business it should end, as its a waste of not only my but yours as well.And for your own information, i use my own computer to run my business's not the schools.
thanks stone, as even though you tore into me, you seem tobe the only one who likes to think logically and rationally on this thread.
if i would of came on here without a website and asked a question such as how do i get into the grading service industry? you simply would of said its impossible and that the big 2 or 3 graders have such a huge part of the market share that it would be impossible.
but since i presented a somewhat legitmate looking website/business most people at the beginning thought it was already a up and running grading service and gave me valid opinions on it and of the grading business in general, hence why i presented the website etc..
if i could get more of that kind of information, such as how long has psa been around?why do they have such a hold on the market? etc.. that would be great.
thanks again stone, for trying to end the bashing and just get to the information as i am sure their are quite a few people on this board that are very well informed on the grading business in general, what it takes to start one and what your changes are of being even somewhat profitable
and just a FYI if i ever did start a grading service NGS or for any of that matter, though i am sure you guys would see it as a sham operation it would run honestly and with professional graders grading the cards, not me.And i wouldnt grade counterfits and reprints etc..., as i said in the beginning just because psa is big , doesnt mean they are the only ones who can do the job, have an open mind.
well, maybe not, but some of your posts tend to point in that direction, i dont know any of you as people, just saying some of your posts point in that direction besides stones or mike.
what Stone said... Gabe At this point, with all due respect, I have to tell you that this ended before it started. You were not honest and open with your fact gathering. Creating a fictitional web/company for credibility in your "field testing" will not work in this climate. There are too many skeptical viewers who have been burned by questionable grading companies. This is only exaggerated by the ebay sellers who push this crap.
what Stone meant (IMO)..... Don't pull my chain and insult everyone's intelligance....
<< <i>...i use my own computer to run my business's not the schools. >>
That's not what your domain registration indicates. You're at least accessing their ISP to further your own business interests. Oh well, I've sent an email to the university asking the same question and sending a copy of this thread, the NGS site, and the domain registration. So we'll see what they have to say.
<< <i> Registrant: National Grading Services 1313 W.woodhill dr. Bloomington, ON 47403 US
Domain name: NGSGRADING.COM
Administrative Contact: gordon, gabe ggordon@indiana.edu 1313 W.woodhill dr. Bloomington, ON 47403 US >>
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if i could get more of that kind of information, such as how long has psa been around?why do they have such a hold on the market?
PSA started in 1991 (not in 1998 as you assumed early on this thread). SGC started in 1998 GAI started in 2002 BGS started in late 1999
You're going to waste your time trying to establish yourself and join the top 4 and just join the bottom 50+ gargage/basement operated group. In your case, your apartment. The reason the top 4 is at where they are is because of credibility. PSA is the leader in the industry because they have graded over 6 million cards and virtually every card ever produced. There is a huge following from vintage to modern; from authenticating autographs and memorabilia, and the PSA registry. SGC is credible for their consistent grading. Market perception is that collectors feel they know what these guys are doing with a vast array of vintage to modern. GAI was founded by the 2 gurus who started the whole grading trend. They were former PSA president and head grader Mike Baker (who is considered the best grader in the world by most). This being, collectors alike jumped on this immediately because of who these guys are. BGS.....well, these guys run the magazine since 1984. Report buying/selling trends and eventually started their grading service. Perception at first was they were extremely hard on grading. Their trend has continue today; although I hate them and think they suck.
So where's your credibility? What have you established? Everyone has thought about possibly starting their own grading co. at one point or another. Most of these fly by night dreams have become reality and quickly gone belly up. Good luck on your venture.
<< <i>...i presented a somewhat legitmate looking website/business most people at the beginning thought it was already a up and running grading service >>
NO!!..you flat out lied and tried to deceive the members of this board!!
You'd better enroll in a business ethics course for a semester or two.
<< <i>now onto my question,I stumbled upon another grading service like we need another one and decided to give them a shot
i had a 1984 fleer ryan sanderg rookie and a 1957 topps mickey mantle graded by www.ngsgrading.com the sanderg came back a NGS 3.0 B exc-nm and the mantle came back a NGS 2.3C+ vg-exc, the only reason i gave this comapny a shot is because i have never seen any other graders grade this way on a 4.0 system report card style grading system. >>
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Wow, this thread sure took a sharp turn from when I replied a few days ago. So in the end it was a tactless college punk who wanted to apply some chapters from his Bus 101 book.
I love the big talkers...I got this, I got that
One of life's adages: if ya gotta say ya got it, ya ain't got it!
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” - George Carlin
I think the thing that is most remarkable, is that this little boy is in college and has absolutely no command of the english language (or any other language at that). If any of my children wrote this poorly, I would go slug their teachers.
Little boy 222, Until you learn English, morality, and manners, you have no chance of running a successful business of any kind (unless you want to be a pimp, a pusher, or a pornographer). Maybe one of your businesses is you have your own paper route. Or maybe a lemonade stand?
It would be interesting to have the names of these experienced graders you have waiting in the wings. Are they professional graders, or did they once look at one of their own sports cards and say "dat looks purty."
When you graduate from IU (oops, I meant "if"), please come back on this forum and show us a copy of your glamorous resume. If it doesn't contain at least ten grammatical/spelling errors, I'll hire you to come work for me on the spot (why not, if anybody can improve that far in seven years, who's to say they can't eventually achieve greatness). And it's cheating if your babysitter writes it for you.
Holy Cow! This is the best thread on here in six months! I'm back posting here, baby! Can we get more white trash like G.G. 222 (and I don't mean Gordon Gecko) to get us all riled up.
As usual, I have a few thoughts... and I am wondering who collector222/big222/G.G. may really be:
1) The emergence of Yider Riza's newest personality
2) Scumbi trying a "field test" on a new telvision character he is developing for a sitcom about mentally retarded criminals
3) ToppsGun back on CU with a new angle to persecute Scott Susor by luring SS into submitting cards to his grading company so Mr. Bow can destroy them all, thereby truly creating low pop cards through processs of elimination
4) Wentz attempting to advertise his new grading business that he was forced to start after finally being turned away by all other grading companies (including PRO)
I hope NGS is not one of the new grading companies that merely use a four screw screwdown to encapsulate their cards. Those are the worst. At least ASA and PRO took the effort to purchase a sonic sealing device.
<< <i>actually i said i already knew graders in the business >>
Flash Shana says if you want to sit in First Class, you gotta pay the piper! Inquiring minds want to know....who are the graders. We have an unwritten rule - if you make a statement, be ready to back it up and provide names. Otherwise, you may lose a little credibility here.
All i can do at this point is laugh at most of you, as you have taking it so far to email the university because I registered a website and gave them the email i use the most oh my god shoot me now
hahaha
you guys continue to amaze me, and you either are jealous because you never had the forsight to try your own business's at my age or your just so bored that you have to continue kicking a dead horse.
all i was looking for was information and reactions to a new service, and i got some good information in the beginning
atleast eagle eyekid gave me some valid information with his post, you others have nothing to contribute and probably never will.
As far as my business's my first business was started at 15, called Computer Fever I grossed over 1.5 million dollars in the first year alone with a 15 percent profit margin you can do the math,while not a millionaire probably a heck of alot better than any of you were doing while you were 15, so you can insult my english all you want, but as far as business sense and coming up with ideas none of you are any better than i am.
and no i have experienced graders that have been in the collectable market for over 20 years.
Damn people you just dont seem to listen NGS is not in operation, just an idea, so we dont have any holders
for the love of god, provide some valid information or go play on your own thread i cant believe some of you are adults acting this way.
I actually have work to do, so i am going to get back to that, you guys can continue to play
You're to be admired. Please take a photo of yourself, sign it 1 of 1, authenticate it using said grading company and mail. This will save me a trip to the grocery store as I'm out of TP.
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” - George Carlin
Ok, not that you weren't overboard before, you are now completely out of control. How old are you by the way, I'm amazed you're even in college from the grammar, and the BS you've been writing sounds like the words of a 13 year old kid. I did this, I did that, I'm better than you, I KNOW IT ALL... whatever, that's nice, who cares. Do yourself (and probably your friends) a favor and get off that delusional pedistal you think you're sitting on.
Flash, actually I liked that website - not bad at all. I was referring to the experience of the graders and not yourself. Where do the graders come from? Who have they worked for? Have they ever worked for PSA, GAI, SGC, BCG? I would like a reference? Some of the things that have been a constant source of debate are: friendly customer service, staying on schedule, consistent grading and consistent policies with respect to what they will grade. What are your feeling on these topics?
I came back to reply to stones post as again even if he he is being saracastic he provide real and informative posts, the others i dont know what your problem is.and if you look back over this thread i have been called out several times of my past business's providing some valid information of my business past is totally acceptable in that situation I didnt start it, you did. And i am acting about as adult as any of us are on this thread(thats not saying much )
thanks but a neat website means nothing if you can deliver a high quality product or service,I mean psa's website has lots of features but is a rather no frills website, but they are doing massive business.
If i do star the business i will provide references, one has worked at a major grading company and the other have worked in the sports card/collectable market and what you would call 2nd tier grading services as well as coin grading services. in one way or the other for 20 plus years
I feel customer service is always important in any business, being able to get ahold of the company you are entrusting with your merchandise is crucial especially in something where people are paying you and sending you merchandise which is somewhat of an unusual business.Staying on scheldue is probably really easy to do to start i mean NGS or any other 2nd tier grading service could provide much faster turnaround than the big companies etc.. as they dont handle the volume.but its probably harder for a company such as psa,bgs, or sgc. Obviously as i put on the website i dont see any reason to grade reprints what so ever and making it clear what is and what isnt gradeable in the start is important. Graders have to be able to spot a card that has been trimmed or restored in anyway to receive a better grade. if i started a grading service i would not grade reprints,trimmed,or tampered with any way and make sure our graders were experienced enough to make sure that never happened. If it did I would probably have to establish some type of money back guarantee based on the card's value.
what do you think?I am wondering if these second tie graders are profitable at all?
I agree that this thread is one of the best in a while. Right up there with adamsdad on Network54.
but as far as business sense and coming up with ideas none of you are any better than i am.
That is why Marc is at HBS so he can learn all that great business sense that oozes out of your fingers!
HoosierKid222 - You ask for constructive, honest criticism? Here you go.
<advice>
1) Take the time to use proper grammar and spelling. When someone doesn't proofread, they look stupid.
2) Do some research before your testcase. Go download all the SEC info on Collectors Universe. Read it. By the time you are done with their most recent filing you will get your answer. The answer is that CU is having problems making money at this, so how are you going to make any money? I don't see any competitive edge that you have over the big three. The competitive edge that AAA grading has is that they grade fakes.
3) It is easier to impress the people you want to impress with humility than bravado.
</advice>
PS. I have a couple of degrees from a Big Ten school; stop bringing us down.
<< <i>...as far as business sense and coming up with ideas none of you are any better than i am. >>
Wrong..the overwhelming majority of the guys on this board have it all over you sonny!
Anyone one with one iota of business acumen knows the correct way to gauge public interest and viability for a proposed new product.
It is NOT by lying and deceiving people. If this is the way you conduct business, I'm sure we'll see you on the 6 o'clock news in the future, being led away in handcuffs by the FBI for scamming folks. IMHO your credibility is zero.
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ugh no, i actually meant your blah, blah laughting comment, where you didnt know what you were talking about so you just laughed, classic trailer trash, classic
but you keep proving that your trailer trash and yet you keep going , you dont even know what your talking about at this point and its painfully obvious.
<< <i>but you keep proving that your trailer trash and yet you keep going , you dont even know what your talking about at this point and its painfully obvious.
go back to your shanty >>
We've reached a new plateau.
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” - George Carlin
but you keep proving that your trailer trash and yet you keep going , you dont even know what your talking about at this point and its painfully obvious.
<< <i>but on this one where you are coming to a psa forum, it was the only way to get a true reaction from people >>
Gabe I want you to answer these two questions with specificity:
1. Why was lying the only way to get a "true reaction." 2. What did you think would happen if you were to come on and just ask: I would like to consider forming a new grading company, have created a business model, have written a business plan and with some good input from the members of this board, I will try to implement that plan.
You don't seem to understand the climate of this forum - as I have said before - we have seen the companies come and go - when they struggle, their first instinct is to turn to the 'dark side' and grade cards for ebay purveyors of trash like Pro, Gem, Capitol etc. Even one of the founding fathers of grading - Alan Hager of ASA turned to the dark side when making money was involved. I'm sure you're familiar with what I am presenting here...
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we did?
nah we just love being entertained by idiots
lol could u please expand on that
are they named einie meanie minie and moe?
<< <i>nah we just love being entertained by idiots >>
I'll drink to that!
Stone : sometimes it's best to just grab for the porcelain :
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
<< <i>well since i make more money than you doing nothing part time, because i am the owner of 4 of my own business's already i highly doubt i will ever have to field test that.b ut you can handle that one.
i dont know why you continue on trying to insult me, when all i was trying to do is get some opinions on a possible new entry into the the market, if you were looking to do something similar i am sure you would test something out before investing any serious money, just makes sense.
not meant to rile anybody up
just gather information >>
So you have four businesses?
Lemme guess what the other three are
1. Internet porn site for people who have an unhealthy interest in farm animals.
2. A business that spams "Herbal Penile Enhancement Pills" Guaranteed to work!!!
3. An infomercial on how to make millions on the internet (See the first three businesses for what the course entails)
<< <i>you guys seem seem to think you actually accomplished nothing, but in fact you just wasted a few hours of your life.
>>
You're a douchebag
As far as getting a life, it's been made pretty obvious that we all enjoy this, no matter how much time it may seem we spend on here, which for me is usually around 10-15 minutes a day.
I don't know how you could have expected much of a different reaction than you got when you started with the insults, but ultimately, you took the wrong approach. No one here is going to care that you have 4 businesses, whatever they may be. As far as we are concerned, you're a college student looking to make a few dollars, as most college students are. You've pretty much ruined your credibility on here by thinking we were fools though. A parting word of advice, learn how to write/type better, paying more attention to the spelling and punctuation, it'll help you not sound so much like a kid.
as i said i was looking for information, and was not "pimping my grading service" because as of right now i dont have one.
just gathering information so if any of you actually have any information or knowledge of the grading business you would like to share that would be great, the thread can continue, as you were providing some solid information in the beginning, but if you are just going to use the thread to try and show who has the biggest balls by throwing out insults on a internet message board, then the thread should probably end as it serves no purpose
thanks
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now for real grading companies, that might grade counterfit cards, i bought the mickey mantle how to stop a fake book on ebay and they said pretty much anything in a PRO grading case is suspect.
atleast with the mantles >>
And here we are questioning your qualifications
By the way, does the university sanction student/faculty use of taxpayer funded equipment (computers) for private business enterprises?
<< <i>...because i am the owner of 4 of my own business's already... >>
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<< <i>then the thread should probably end as it serves no purpose >>
Gabe
At this point, with all due respect, I have to tell you that this ended before it started. You were not honest and open with your fact gathering. Creating a fictitional web/company for credibility in your "field testing" will not work in this climate. There are too many skeptical viewers who have been burned by questionable grading companies. This is only exaggerated by the ebay sellers who push this crap.
I personally think you may be way over your head on this one - as I said before - the amount of experience and expertise that is required to handle trading cards is far more extensive than you may realize. But, I don't want to disparage you for trying and dreaming - just want you to be more realistic.
your friend
Mike
<< <i>Stone : sometimes it's best to just grab for the porcelain >>
Wolf
At this point, I don't know if I can hold on that tight.
did i say ever , that i would be the one grading cards, ugh no
so my qualifications about grading have nothing to do with it, i have good business sense and saw a possible opportunity at entering into the market in some way, since i already have experienced graders lined up.
think before you speak, because you just posted another worthless post that makes no sense what so ever.
and as i said if this isnt going tobe a worthwhile thread with information on the grading business it should end, as its a waste of not only my but yours as well.And for your own information, i use my own computer to run my business's not the schools.
thanks
if i would of came on here without a website and asked a question such as how do i get into the grading service industry? you simply would of said its impossible and that the big 2 or 3 graders have such a huge part of the market share that it would be impossible.
but since i presented a somewhat legitmate looking website/business most people at the beginning thought it was already a up and running grading service and gave me valid opinions on it and of the grading business in general, hence why i presented the website etc..
if i could get more of that kind of information, such as how long has psa been around?why do they have such a hold on the market?
etc.. that would be great.
thanks again stone, for trying to end the bashing and just get to the information as i am sure their are quite a few people on this board that are very well informed on the grading business in general, what it takes to start one and what your changes are of being even somewhat profitable
ok....
thanks
At this point, with all due respect, I have to tell you that this ended before it started. You were not honest and open with your fact gathering. Creating a fictitional web/company for credibility in your "field testing" will not work in this climate. There are too many skeptical viewers who have been burned by questionable grading companies. This is only exaggerated by the ebay sellers who push this crap.
what Stone meant (IMO)..... Don't pull my chain and insult everyone's intelligance....
lol
<< <i>...i use my own computer to run my business's not the schools. >>
That's not what your domain registration indicates. You're at least accessing their ISP to further your own business interests. Oh well, I've sent an email to the university asking the same question and sending a copy of this thread, the NGS site, and the domain registration. So we'll see what they have to say.
<< <i> Registrant:
National Grading Services
1313 W.woodhill dr.
Bloomington, ON 47403
US
Domain name: NGSGRADING.COM
Administrative Contact:
gordon, gabe ggordon@indiana.edu
1313 W.woodhill dr.
Bloomington, ON 47403
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PSA started in 1991 (not in 1998 as you assumed early on this thread).
SGC started in 1998
GAI started in 2002
BGS started in late 1999
You're going to waste your time trying to establish yourself and join the top 4 and just join
the bottom 50+ gargage/basement operated group. In your case, your apartment.
The reason the top 4 is at where they are is because of credibility.
PSA is the leader in the industry because they have graded over 6 million cards and virtually every
card ever produced. There is a huge following from vintage to modern; from authenticating autographs and memorabilia, and the PSA registry.
SGC is credible for their consistent grading. Market perception is that collectors feel they know what
these guys are doing with a vast array of vintage to modern.
GAI was founded by the 2 gurus who started the whole grading trend. They were former PSA president
and head grader Mike Baker (who is considered the best grader in the world by most). This being, collectors alike jumped on this immediately because of who these guys are.
BGS.....well, these guys run the magazine since 1984. Report buying/selling trends and eventually
started their grading service. Perception at first was they were extremely hard on grading. Their trend has continue today; although I hate them and think they suck.
So where's your credibility? What have you established?
Everyone has thought about possibly starting their own grading co. at one point or another.
Most of these fly by night dreams have become reality and quickly gone belly up.
Good luck on your venture.
<< <i>...i presented a somewhat legitmate looking website/business most people at the beginning thought it was already a up and running grading service >>
NO!!..you flat out lied and tried to deceive the members of this board!!
You'd better enroll in a business ethics course for a semester or two.
<< <i>now onto my question,I stumbled upon another grading service like we need another one and decided to give them a shot
i had a 1984 fleer ryan sanderg rookie and a 1957 topps mickey mantle graded by www.ngsgrading.com
the sanderg came back a NGS 3.0 B exc-nm and the mantle came back a NGS 2.3C+ vg-exc, the only reason i gave this comapny a shot is because i have never seen any other graders grade this way on a 4.0 system report card style grading system. >>
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I love the big talkers...I got this, I got that
One of life's adages: if ya gotta say ya got it, ya ain't got it!
My favorite though is the Troll needing a Troll, with a straight face you go from Collector222 to Bigcollector222 That my man is classic!!!
This thread belongs in a gold plated crapper.
I guess that one of you are in class, .....await your replies.
Little boy 222,
Until you learn English, morality, and manners, you have no chance of running a successful business of any kind (unless you want to be a pimp, a pusher, or a pornographer). Maybe one of your businesses is you have your own paper route. Or maybe a lemonade stand?
It would be interesting to have the names of these experienced graders you have waiting in the wings. Are they professional graders, or did they once look at one of their own sports cards and say "dat looks purty."
When you graduate from IU (oops, I meant "if"), please come back on this forum and show us a copy of your glamorous resume. If it doesn't contain at least ten grammatical/spelling errors, I'll hire you to come work for me on the spot (why not, if anybody can improve that far in seven years, who's to say they can't eventually achieve greatness). And it's cheating if your babysitter writes it for you.
Best of luck,
Bob
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link to thread on PSA/DNA imposter
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As usual, I have a few thoughts... and I am wondering who collector222/big222/G.G. may really be:
1) The emergence of Yider Riza's newest personality
2) Scumbi trying a "field test" on a new telvision character he is developing for a sitcom about mentally retarded criminals
3) ToppsGun back on CU with a new angle to persecute Scott Susor by luring SS into submitting cards to his grading company so Mr. Bow can destroy them all, thereby truly creating low pop cards through processs of elimination
4) Wentz attempting to advertise his new grading business that he was forced to start after finally being turned away by all other grading companies (including PRO)
<< <i>actually i said i already knew graders in the business >>
Flash
Shana says if you want to sit in First Class, you gotta pay the piper! Inquiring minds want to know....who are the graders. We have an unwritten rule - if you make a statement, be ready to back it up and provide names. Otherwise, you may lose a little credibility here.
Stone
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hahaha
you guys continue to amaze me, and you either are jealous because you never had the forsight to try your own business's at my age or your just so bored that you have to continue kicking a dead horse.
all i was looking for was information and reactions to a new service, and i got some good information in the beginning
atleast eagle eyekid gave me some valid information with his post, you others have nothing to contribute and probably never will.
As far as my business's my first business was started at 15, called Computer Fever I grossed over 1.5 million dollars in the first year alone with a 15 percent profit margin you can do the math,while not a millionaire probably a heck of alot better than any of you were doing while you were 15, so you can insult my english all you want, but as far as business sense and coming up with ideas none of you are any better than i am.
and no i have experienced graders that have been in the collectable market for over 20 years.
Damn people you just dont seem to listen NGS is not in operation, just an idea, so we dont have any holders
for the love of god, provide some valid information or go play on your own thread i cant believe some of you are adults acting this way.
I actually have work to do, so i am going to get back to that, you guys can continue to play
thanks
that would be eine meanie minie and moe i presume?
<< <i>you guys continue to amaze me >>
Sometimes I even amaze myself!
Flash, actually I liked that website - not bad at all. I was referring to the experience of the graders and not yourself. Where do the graders come from? Who have they worked for? Have they ever worked for PSA, GAI, SGC, BCG? I would like a reference?
Some of the things that have been a constant source of debate are: friendly customer service, staying on schedule, consistent grading and consistent policies with respect to what they will grade. What are your feeling on these topics?
Stone
And i am acting about as adult as any of us are on this thread(thats not saying much
thanks but a neat website means nothing if you can deliver a high quality product or service,I mean psa's website has lots of features but is a rather no frills website, but they are doing massive business.
If i do star the business i will provide references, one has worked at a major grading company and the other have worked in the sports card/collectable market and what you would call 2nd tier grading services as well as coin grading services. in one way or the other for 20 plus years
I feel customer service is always important in any business, being able to get ahold of the company you are entrusting with your merchandise is crucial especially in something where people are paying you and sending you merchandise which is somewhat of an unusual business.Staying on scheldue is probably really easy to do to start i mean NGS or any other 2nd tier grading service could provide much faster turnaround than the big companies etc.. as they dont handle the volume.but its probably harder for a company such as psa,bgs, or sgc.
Obviously as i put on the website i dont see any reason to grade reprints what so ever and making it clear what is and what isnt gradeable in the start is important. Graders have to be able to spot a card that has been trimmed or restored in anyway to receive a better grade.
if i started a grading service i would not grade reprints,trimmed,or tampered with any way and make sure our graders were experienced enough to make sure that never happened.
If it did I would probably have to establish some type of money back guarantee based on the card's value.
what do you think?I am wondering if these second tie graders are profitable at all?
but as far as business sense and coming up with ideas none of you are any better than i am.
That is why Marc is at HBS so he can learn all that great business sense that oozes out of your fingers!
HoosierKid222 - You ask for constructive, honest criticism? Here you go.
<advice>
1) Take the time to use proper grammar and spelling. When someone doesn't proofread, they look stupid.
2) Do some research before your testcase. Go download all the SEC info on Collectors Universe. Read it. By the time you are done with their most recent filing you will get your answer. The answer is that CU is having problems making money at this, so how are you going to make any money? I don't see any competitive edge that you have over the big three. The competitive edge that AAA grading has is that they grade fakes.
3) It is easier to impress the people you want to impress with humility than bravado.
</advice>
PS. I have a couple of degrees from a Big Ten school; stop bringing us down.
Collectable
thanks but a neat website means nothing if you can deliver a high quality product or service,
lol
u should write comedy the hell with card grading
<< <i>one has worked at a major grading company and the other have worked in the sports card/collectable market >>
Gabe
You don't mean you have......
<< <i>...as far as business sense and coming up with ideas none of you are any better than i am. >>
Wrong..the overwhelming majority of the guys on this board have it all over you sonny!
Anyone one with one iota of business acumen knows the correct way to gauge public interest and viability for a proposed new product.
It is NOT by lying and deceiving people. If this is the way you conduct business, I'm sure we'll see you on the 6 o'clock news in the future, being led away in handcuffs by the FBI for scamming folks. IMHO your credibility is zero.
Skip
ANGEL OF HOPE
Skip
TUSTIN CA
i am not putting anybody down man, just defending myself, when you say my business experience consists of a lemonade stand, thats just not right
and winpitcher sounds like he hasnt gotten laid in awhile by his comments
your last one didnt even have any explanation or make any sense
later
but on this one where you are coming to a psa forum, it was the only way to get a true reaction from people
which was accomplished
That is because i copied and pasted what you said.....lol
you-----
me------
go back to your shanty
<< <i>but you keep proving that your trailer trash and yet you keep going , you dont even know what your talking about at this point and its painfully obvious.
go back to your shanty >>
We've reached a new plateau.
go back to your shanty
lol
i wish my mommy and daddy had enough money to send me to college.
of course i do make more with my GED than most people with 4 yr college degrees, so i probably wouldn't go anyway.
<< <i>but on this one where you are coming to a psa forum, it was the only way to get a true reaction from people >>
Gabe
I want you to answer these two questions with specificity:
1. Why was lying the only way to get a "true reaction."
2. What did you think would happen if you were to come on and just ask: I would like to consider forming a new grading company, have created a business model, have written a business plan and with some good input from the members of this board, I will try to implement that plan.
You don't seem to understand the climate of this forum - as I have said before - we have seen the companies come and go - when they struggle, their first instinct is to turn to the 'dark side' and grade cards for ebay purveyors of trash like Pro, Gem, Capitol etc. Even one of the founding fathers of grading - Alan Hager of ASA turned to the dark side when making money was involved. I'm sure you're familiar with what I am presenting here...
Stone