I hate waiting for my submissions.

saintguru

But I'll make my critics submit....for I am beyond reproach. I am THOR!!

kranky

That's really interesting! I bet it gets other Saint collectors looking at theirs.

tsacch

i am assuming you mean that its raw

saintguru

No, it's a PCGS MS65...

21Walker

Boy, Ya'll got good eyes.....I don't see an 'X'...............

coinkat

wow... now this is interesting... I have never seen anything like this before.

darktone

Could be marked to identify a counterfiet. I know it's in a PCGS slab but it might not hurt to look it over really good. mike

Sphinx357

<< <i>Boy, Ya'll got good eyes.....I don't see an 'X'............... >>


The other foot.

Gonfunko

<< <i>Could be marked to identify a counterfiet. I know it's in a PCGS slab but it might not hurt to look it over really good. mike >>


I was thinking the same thing....kind of like the Omega counterfeits.

darktone

<< <i>I was thinking the same thing....kind of like the Omega counterfeits. >>

I was thinking more in line with a dealer that marks counterfiets in a certain place so he does not get stuck with the same coin twice- I have seen this happen. mike

earlwbollinger

Sheesh. . .now I have to go to the bank tomorrow to check for sure.
My coin photos don't show that portion in any detail.
Wow!. . .PCGS missed it too or did they?
I would have assumed PCGS would not have slabbed it unless that tiny "x" was OK.
They must know something most of us don't.
I hope it isn't something like the "Omega" pieces.
I looked through Breen's and he didn't mention anything that I perused through.

saintguru

It is nOT a counterfeit. I can assure you. There were no known counterfeit 1911-S Saints...as I said, I think a shrewd collector probably put it there many years ago, maybe to ID his coins in case they were stolen?? I know of the Omega coins...different ballgame.

darktone

I think it is safe to say it was marked for identification but what's the reason. Sure does not look like a random mark? Could even be marked to let someone know it is not a counterfiet. Kind of a neat find. mike

TomB

Might it possibly be a strike-through?

nwcs

It does look intentional to me. The only thing I can think of is a mark a previous owner made or that counterfeit mark mentioned earlier. You said no known counterfeits of the 11s are known. What if this is the first?

Coinosaurus

Could also be that PCGS did see it and thought it was too small to BB - i.e. the equivalent of a couple contact marks or something. Very cool photo, btw!

sliderider

In the old west people sometimes marked their coins in case they were robbed and the perps were caught with the loot they could identify their coins. Since this is a 1911 date, it's only marginally likely that this is the case. If this had been a gold coin from the mid to late 1800's I'd suspect that was the reason.

saintguru

I'm convinced that there is nothing sinister here. But whoever did it had to be a master engraver!! just to cut a punch that small would be a major feat...considering that it was probably done 50 or more years ago..but that's a guess. the collector who caught it is a very astute collector, a much finer trained eye than mine, and he thought it was really cool...I was a little stuuned and then I convinced myself that it was cool too! What choice did I have???

saintguru

Maybe the coin was in Al Capone's vault and Geraldo missed it????

saintguru

Maybe it belonged to Malcolm X...huh, ever think of THAT????

PutTogether

Couldn't that have been punched by an itty bitty philips head screwdriver?

ER

Send it in for Presidential Review.

saintguru

Couldn't that have been punched by an itty bitty philips head screwdriver?

Only if it belonged to Stuart Little!! Not itty-bitty, but maybe eentsy-weentsy!! Anyway a philips would make a punch deeper in the center, and this is uniform depth. It had to be a "punch of some type" ALIEN??? The president's review isn't a bad idea, but I think it would just stay as is....the fact is that it's a really FINE 11-S...nicer than most I've seen..although I WOULD like a ms66. Anyone want a really RARE MYSTERIOUS ms65???

ms70

That goes to show that 3rd party graders may miss much more than we think. I don't mean that as a slam on PCGS or anyone else, I only
think it shows that it's humanly impossible to pick up on everything. The first thing that comes to mind is tiny added mint marks. It would be
interesting to see what DH says about it!

saintguru

ms70...added mint-marks are raised...this is imbedded...although I get your point. I don't know if this makes the coin "interesting" or if it's a take-away? I can't imagine the latter, but who knows. It is soooo hard to pick up even with a loupe. It's like the arrow on the FEDEX truck...if you aren't loking for it you can't see it!

PutTogether

What arrow on a fedex truck? (not being sarcastic)?

mgoodm3

Oooo. Wierd. I have no clue.

100proof1957

Would be intereseting to find out where it came from,probably a cull from some famous collection.
there should be more examples it thats the case.
Colonel Green was a weirdo,maybe he did it ?

idocoins

I would dump that coin in a heart beat........I'll give ya $20 bucks for it no questions asked
Isn't it true that PCGS only uses 5 power mag.......could you see this?
Very interesting. must make a trip to the bank also.......

darktone

I doubt if PCGS used a loupe on a coin this size unless they saw something that caught their attention. I bet if you put a mark this size in a design area such as on this coin the majority of proffesional graders would never spot it and niether would most others unless they looked at it for a very long time- how long did you have it before it was noticed? mike

saintguru

What arrow on a fedex truck? (not being sarcastic)?

Not easy to see when you're not looking for it...like my "X"...which CAN be seen with a 5x loupe...IF you are loking for it...I missed it after about 100 viewings??

See the arrow?

tradedollarnut

Not at first, but finally.

Cool countermark - kind of like Dexter's 'D'.

saintguru

What's Dexter's D??

Coinosaurus

Dexter was a 19th century collector who is believed to have countermarked his 1804 dollar with a "D" for identification purposes.

saintguru

So this could indeed be Malcolm X's 1911-S???

saintguru

See the arrow?

Apparantly, because of their unbiased eyes, a child can spot the arrow very quickly. Maybe PCGS should have a new team of 5 yr. old graders!!

mhammerman

Well, I sure wish that arrow would hurry up and put my "Catalogue of U S Coins:1907-1933" on my front step...I'm waiting!

fivecents

I know that some old school collectors marked their coins with counterstamps or engraving, so the coins couldn't be swapped by another collector or dealer.

saintguru

PRESENTING THE "MALCOLM X 1911-S MS65 SAINT"

saintguru

Did Malcolm X collect coins other than the 11-S Saint??

XpipedreamR

Fascinating coin! Please let us know how it turns out!
















Now where's the damned arrow?

mrearlygold

OK ok I admit it. I put it there. Way way back, once upon a time.


Tom

tradedollarnut

Now where's the damned arrow?

Look at the Ex and allow your eyes to lose focus....

saintguru

Look at the Ex and allow your eyes to lose focus....

I've been doing that for my 1927-D Saint that I need and it doesn't apper...any ideas???

robertpr

For anyone who still doesn't get it, look at the white space between the E and x in the lighter lettering, there is an arrow pointing toward the right.

XpipedreamR

Allow myself to lose focus? Heck, I'm barely holding things together as it is!

sliderider

Wow that arrow thing is neat. It's kind of like those stereograms where you have to alter your perception to make the image appear.

JRocco

That is really cool JB. Gives your saint character. A 100% keeper for sure.

saintguru

Thanks Rocco...I think so too...and it's a very strong ms65 to boot!!

DesertRat

Amazing that you overlooked that X so many times. The toes on Lady Liberty are easily seen with the naked eye and the X looks to be the size of to toes at least. I think a small jewelers phillips head screwdriver could make that mark. Especially one that a watch maker would use.

saintguru

No it cant be a screwdriver because its uniform depth...i think it was a miniscule punch...like .025 pica print if there is such a thing. And I can tell you that I look at my scans on a full screen bowup and never caught it. What can I say...the dealer I got it from is extraordinarily sharp and he was stunned when I sent him the picture!!