Yellow PCGS label

Senlathiel

Has this seller doctored this photo? I've never seen this kind of PCGS label.

kieferscoins

Here is a slightly faded yellow slab label. His looks a little brighter than they usually are.



His photo:



Cameron Kiefer

Russ

<< <i>Has this seller doctored this photo? I've never seen this kind of PCGS label. >>



It's a green label that turned yellow. The ink wasn't colorfast. But, yes, the seller has doctored the image.

Russ, NCNE

airplanenut

this should answer your question

kieferscoins

<< <i>It's a green label that turned yellow >>



PCGS made a yellow label and I have seen them bright yellow with no fading and there is no way it could be a green label type. His photo is brighter than they come though.

Cameron Kiefer

wildjag

I type to slow sorry

Russ

<< <i>PCGS made a yellow label >>



Did they?

Russ, NCNE

kieferscoins

Yes they did.

Cameron Kiefer

Conder101

It looks like the photo has been doctored some but the label could very well be that color. I have seen that style label with the yellow color much brighter than that. That particult label style can be found in a wide range of colors from Canary yellow through the same blue that is used on todays labels.

BAJJERFAN

The yellow label for my 1894 Morgan is about that color so I would say that it looks close to correct.

fivecents

I could have told you who the seller is by the look of the doctored photo.

oreville

I also have about 6 or 7 PCGS slabs with almost that deep a canary color PCGS insert. Conder101 has indicated to me that they were originally green inserts that faded to yelow since the coloring was not colorfast.

kieferscoins

<< <i>Conder101 has indicated to me that they were originally green inserts that faded to yelow since the coloring was not colorfast. >>



Thats a myth. They are yellow color and bright. PM sent.

Cameron Kiefer

Russ

<< <i>Conder101 has indicated to me that they were originally green inserts that faded to yelow since the coloring was not colorfast. >>



That was also my source for the information - the guy who wrote the book on this stuff.

Russ, NCNE

sliderider

bondman22 is a photoshop fanatic. His photos are always recolorized or touched up.

Russ

<< <i><< Conder101 has indicated to me that they were originally green inserts that faded to yelow since the coloring was not colorfast. >>

Thats a myth. They are yellow color and bright. PM sent.

Cameron Kiefer >>



I don't think we ever used a yellow label.



Russ, NCNE

ms70

I have a few yellow ones. One with an Ike & another with a half dime. They appear blatantly yellow to me, not faded green.

Outhaul

I didn't even have to click on the link to know who this thread was about...

kieferscoins

"I don't think" isn't very sure to me. I'm researching more right now and will be sure to get back on this. Conder couldn't tell apart the green from the brown label NGC Peace dollar sample slabs either. Not trying to bring up a sore point. Just facts.

I'd like to mail you a bright yellow PCGS slab, Russ and then you tell me that it is a faded slab label.

Cameron Kiefer

kieferscoins

Conder101

Faded is not a good word to use and I most likely used the word in error before when I shouldn't have. A breakdown of the blue pigment in a green ink will result in a bright yellow color (assuming no fading of the yellow ink). Have you ever seen one of those one dollar bills where someone as treated it to breack down either the blue or the yellow pigment in the green ink on the back? The yellow or blue back tends to look much more vivid than the original green color.

Now to me the changing of the inks sems to be the best explaination of the varied colors seen on the PCGS 4 label syle. Especially since at the moment they don't belive they ever used a yellow label, plus the question that if it isn't true why they would have used over a dozen different colored labels during the 1990-95 period for no good reason, plus fact that during that period there were no questions arising asking why there were different colors. (You woud hink that coming out of the counterfeit slab "scandal" so recently they would endeavor to make sure that all of their slabs looked the same so that any deviation would arouse suspicion. In a case like that I can't see them deliberately producing slabs with a dozen+ different color labels.) As time passes I'm also seeing fewer and fewer actual green label PCGS 4 slabs. (Of course that could be the shortcoming of my own vision abilities. Like Cameron says I can't see the difference between the green and brown borders on the early NGC slabs. I'm sure it is there because so many others CAN see it and have tried to point them out to me. It is just a failing of my genetic heritage.)

kieferscoins

Good points.



<< <i>plus fact that during that period there were no questions arising asking why there were different colors. (You woud hink that coming out of the counterfeit slab "scandal" so recently they would endeavor to make sure that all of their slabs looked the same so that any deviation would arouse suspicion. >>



There was no message boards then. Maybe there was some questioning but we weren't into slabs that much back then.

One would think that PCGS would notice these yellow slabs and say "hey" this is the wrong green color and call up the supplier and have them fix their ink colors.

Cameron Kiefer

Shamika

I've got a PCGS slab with a pink label.

wayneherndon

These "yellow" labels are often green on the other side which leads me to think they faded in the light.

WH

wayneherndon

Okay, I went through my inventory and pulled the first three with "yellow" labels. All three are slightly different shades with one being more yellow-green. I think the variety of shades itself speaks to the color being unstable in this particular label. In all three cases the reverse of the label is bright green. While not dispositive, I think this supports that the label was initially green with the front having faded, perhaps from exposure to light.

Conder101

<< <i>There was no message boards then. Maybe there was some questioning but we weren't into slabs that much back then. >>


There was no PCGS board but there were plenty of coin message and bulitin boards. I've been online with various coin boards since 1980. There were also numismatic publications with letters to the editor sections, and I don't recall ever seeing any comment in them either. Although I will admit you are right that I did not follow it as intently back then.