A question about NGC/ANACS slabs.

keets

This thought probably would work best with NGC and ANACS since they both have a white background surrounding the coin. What would you think about an option that would allow you to submit a coin and choose whether to have the background plastic either white or black??? Some who've seen the original NGC holders with black may be able to better respond to the question, but i think the black background would look great for brilliant coins, especially proofs.

Whaddaya think??

Al H.

MadMarty

I have actually talked to Rick at NGC about that. Some people think a black insert would be better for proofs and gold.

DHeath

I'd prefer the option of choosing clear/white/black. I've asked that question several times, and figure it'll be a good idea sooner or later.

magikbilly

Hi,
Gee, I don't know about that. With some people only buying this or that slab - "I only collect PCGS" or NGC the like, I can just start to hear "well, I'd like that Morgan, but I want one in a white holder"...just more options to blur the field IMHO.

Best,
Billy

PS - I like 'em white.

BigD5

There's another money maker!

Charge extra for custom colored inserts!

Pedigrees, colors, designations etc.....Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money......

Hoot

This has been batted around on the NGC boards for the last two+ years. NGC has repeatedly answered "no," although I think that they may submit to the idea given the time (as mentioned) and $$$ (as mentioned). The problem is that it potentially complicates the order finalization process, unless all of the coins in a single order are slabbed the same.

Hoot

flaminio

How about purple? Red? Yellow? Maybe they could offer a wide variety of slab background colors and charge like a buck extra for a custom color.

Barry

They can call them toned holders!

kranky

Gold definitely looks better in a black holder than in a white one. Yes, it may complicate the orders a bit, but why not offer the option? Charge an extra buck and give people a choice.

Or, just build a thin slot into the slab, and people could make their own inserts. They could sell precut sheets where the inserts (and the holes that would need to be punched out) are already perforated, print them in your PC and just slide them into the slot.

sliderider

Clear inserts would be a good idea. Some coins have lettered or patterned edges that traditional slab inserts hide.

spy88

From ASK NGC forum----

As a poster to both NGC and PCGS forums, I've noticed quite a few comments concerning the thickness of the material NGC uses to hold the coin in the slab.

It has been pointed out that as the material doesn't vary according to the coins thickness, there is an issue circulating that this allows for the "hiding" of a coins third side and any damage it may have there.

As I only have Jeff nickels in NGC/PCGS/ANACS slabs, I can't speak for other series, but even with Jeffs being as thick as a half dollar, they still sit within this material you use that is thicker then the coin, thus a factual basis for concern.

Has any thought, interest or consideration been done by NGC toward varying the thickness of the material to suit the coin being slabbed? Also as it isn't a clear material, any thoughts about this? Is it possible that a second ring of clear material only as thick as the coin being slabbed be used?

Lastly, it is also circulating that it is a possibility NGC doesn't look at the rim and/or use its condition in grading. I'm quite positive you do, but for the record, I think your posting it would help quell this misconception.

Thank you for any response.

David

PS: As a side note, I know that this "rubber-like" material is mass produced for you. Many people have preferences regarding the color of choice as a way of enhancing a particular metal. Any thought to offering submitters their choice of color? I would think it would require nothing more then a dye added to the mix to accomplish this.


Response---

Hi David,

First, I would like to dispel any myth or urban legend that we do not grade the rim and edge of a coin. In fact, many of the pieces that we do not holder are for rim issues, i.e. rim filing, dings, and damage.

At this time we do not plan on changing the color, thickness, material, or inner holder parts used. We feel that our current holder is the safest in the industry and provides the best long term protection available at present.

Thanks,

Andrew Vickery
NGC Grader

BAJJERFAN

<< <i>How about purple? Red? Yellow? Maybe they could offer a wide variety of slab background colors and charge like a buck extra for a custom color. >>



Mite give a whole new meaning to the phrase "monster rainbow toned" .

sliderider

I think the problem with colored inserts is that in addition to bringing out certain desirable qualities, undoubtedly certain colors can be used to hide defects. I can see some unethical individuals doing something like submitting Barber halves and requesting blue inserts because it gives that perticular series more eye appeal and hence misleads the buyer into thinking he has a potential upgrade candidate, when in fact, the coin could be as bad as it could be without losing a grade.

Shamika

Interesting idea keets. Personally, I prefer clear slabs as colored backgrounds rarely accentuate the coin.

Conder101

<< <i>At this time we do not plan on changing the color, thickness, material, or inner holder parts used. We feel that our current holder is the safest in the industry and provides the best long term protection available at present.

Thanks,

Andrew Vickery
NGC Grader >>


Back when they first introduced their multicoin holders I was asking them for information about them and they mentioned that at that time they WERE considering the possibility of using different colors for the plastic insert. I guess they have decided against it.

mintluster

I like the clear slabs personally. I love PCGS, ICG, and SEGS holders. They are all nice and clear. I have never liked the NGC holder. I don't like the way it looks and I don't like that big thick plastic insert.

mintluster

oh yea....

also I meant to say that the presentation/appearance of the slab I think is VERY IMPORTANT. I mean, they all protect the coins better than over-the-counter coin protection, and considering how much we all love our collections, and love to look at them and study the coins, I truly think the slab should be attractive.

GoYankees

Coins from the late 1960s could have custon ty-dye(sp) inserts.

K6AZ

They really ought to reconsider their position on this. I think a black insert would really look nice with gold coins.

UncleWiggly

<< <i>oh yea....

also I meant to say that the presentation/appearance of the slab I think is VERY IMPORTANT. I mean, they all protect the coins better than over-the-counter coin protection, and considering how much we all love our collections, and love to look at them and study the coins, I truly think the slab should be attractive. >>



All the slabs are ugly becauyse they are rectangle in shape while holding a round object.

Jerry

magikbilly

Hi,
now that I think about it, it would make observation very difficult. Image a row of toned WLH slabs with all different color inserts. Now choose based on eye appeal - while I buy the coin and bot the plastic, it would be distracting! And, as poited out before, it might make some coins look better than they are when in such a comparison as above. So, I would prefer a level playing field which is why I like PCGS slabs as they are clear. I DO wish PCGS would recess the area that is above the coin as that scratches first while the area above the label insert is so well protected it always looks new!

Best,
Billy

Myqqy

I think the option of clear, white, or black inserts would be a great one. I think gold and proof coins would look great with a black background, and I think many people prefer clear over white.

relayer

Sounds like a nice "ups and extras" revenue generator