1787 New Jersey. Large planchet, help grading

littlejohn

hi
i just got this coin,can any of you guy help with a price and ,what grade would you give it????
littlejohn
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Coinerww

I don't know about coins so old. Nice coin though.

coinfreak499

F-12 or so

littlejohn

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Conder101

Sharpness looks XF-45 to AU-50 some smal rim bumps/nicks, a little dark. Can't tell if the darker spots are toning or corrosion. Net VF-35 to XF-40. This is a very nice NJ. Can't help on price.

Gemini

I have a few Jerseys more smoother than this one which has nice strong details. The surfaces are dark and look pitted? corrosion? and is that a raised flap of metal left top corner of the shield? .... Can't help you with price...

mgoodm3

Nice copper.

shylock

Goldberg's called it VF25.

littlejohn

HI
YES,YOUR RIGHT,VERY VERY GOOD!!!!!!!!
MY BLACK LAB GOT THAT THING FOR ME TODAY.I WAS AT THE LIVE AUCTION,AND I TOLD HIM(LARAMIE)MY DOG TO GO ON AND LEAVE ME ALONE,AND I THOUGH HE DID,BUT INSTED HE WENT AROUND ME AND JUMP UP AND HIT MY RIGHT ARM.WELL YOU NOW KNOW THE REST,ANY OTHER TIME I COULD NOT WON A COIN AT A LIVE AUCTION IF I WANTED TO.BUT I DID WIN THAT DAAAAAMMMM COIN.!!!!ONE I DID NOT REALLY WANT AT ALL.GOT IT THOUGH FOR 210.00
LITTLEJOHN

shylock

Your black lab got it for half their estimate, don't be too hard on him

littlejohn

YES, HE DID NOT DO TO BAD!!

ColonialCoinUnion

Heres a frame of reference for you as to how good these coins can look -

This coin, also a New Jersey Maris 63-q, was sold by Stack's in September 2003 as part of the John Ford collection:



1787 M.63-q. Morristown Mint by the Morristown Master. Rarity-3. 162.2 gns. Uncirculated. One of the Finest Known, in company with Norweb's and John Work Garrett's. A wonderful example and an almost archetypical Morristown Mint copper. Both sides are toned in a rich fairly even olive brown. There is an area of light greenish brown by the singletree on the obverse and the center of the reverse has a deep ruddy overtone when angled in the light. The fields appear smooth and hard just about everywhere with considerable bright flash when angled in the light. There is faded mint color in the letters NOVA on the obverse and faded mint luster there, around CAESAREA, more faintly on the reverse. The center of the obverse soft, rough as struck with most detail in the horse's head indistinct, some mane detail showing. Below, the ornamental staff shows its complete inner detail and the three sprigs below it are bold. On the reverse the center is soft as made but the vertical and horizontal shield lines still show detail. The sprigs below the shield point are bold and distinct. Well centered on both sides with a full border of denticles visible all around. No obvious signs of mishandling and no important defects to report. Struck from the seemingly perfect state of the obverse; the reverse broken from rim through `P' as before, now extending to `LU'; subsidiary break formed in the upper left field from the left tip of the shield running below `URIB'; heavy cud formed on the left shield edge from below `P' reaching up to below `I'. The cataloguer has seen 45 of these. The rarity rating for M.63-q is underestimated at R-1.

It sold for $14,950 that day.

There was also a second example in the Ford sale:



1787 M.63-q. Morristown Mint by the Morristown Master. Rarity-3. 139.2 gns. Choice Very Fine. Both sides are toned in light golden brown with some areas darker principally around the protected areas. The fields are microgranular in appearance, somewhat rougher in the lower left reverse. Fairly decent central sharpness for the grade with a good horse's head and the shield detail mostly clear. An interesting error, apparently struck on a flan damaged by the planchet cutter leaving a wide expanse of unstruck copper arcing around the left side of the obverse, more faintly through the lower third of the reverse. The first of this sort the cataloguer has seen. Usual obverse die blip below `S' on the obverse; the reverse die broken from rim to upper left serif of `P'.

This one realized $1,955.

littlejohn

ok

ColonialCoinUnion

My reason for posting all of that was to show you that even high grade examples of this coin are pretty rough looking, and that some of what you see on your coin (i.e. the flap of metal Gemini mentioned) is actually inherent in the design.

I would agree with Conder on the grade more or less. Yours is really a pretty sharp example as far as detail goes.

I would say that it is worth more as an example of this particular die variety (for collectors who assemble sets of NJ coppers by die varieties using the Maris attributions) than it is as an example of the Redbook type 'large planchet'.

I'd say its worth a few hundred dollars and that you did OK.

JA

littlejohn

hi
thank you for all the good info.
littlejohn

littlejohn

hi
i got this today what do you think.?