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metaldtctmetaldtct Posts: 52
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Several years ago I picked ip a 1922 peace dollar at a yardsale. I knew it was a common date, and I also knew the obverse was obviously cleaned. I never heard the term whizzing until I went to the lingo link that Techeff (thanks) posted. The coin has very faint scratch marks that I assumed were made with brasso or some other cleaner. I took another look after reading "lingo". The scratches are diagonal and evenly spaced in straight lines. Does this sound like whizzing? If I cleaned it with brasso it would have circular scratches. I took it out of its home-made holder for the first time today. I can't feel the scratches with my finger. If it was whizzed can you tell by touch? It's still a pretty coin with awesome detail. Someone just ruined its collectibility by cleaning it. I still think it was a good deal at $5.00 since I enjoy looking at it.

HH Metaldtct
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  • DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
    It was a great deal @ $5. The only coin I ever had that was whizzed was beautiful!! Someone took a 1904-O Morgan and used a dremel (or something similar) with some kind of jewlery polish, and just did Liberty's head and face. She looked like a proof, beautiful frost! The only problem was when you got out the magnifing glass. There were like a billion little tiny scratches. And no, you can't feel them.

    If the scratches are long, it may just be someone wiped the coin with an abrasive material. Do you have a 5X or 10X magnifing glass? If not, you need one, die polish lines will look like scratches. Can you post a picture? That would be even better!!
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  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    Sounds like slide marks or etching made by sliding. Whizzing wouldn't have that appearance. You can't tell a whizzed coin by touch, only by unnatural luster and the pattern of etchings (generally not straight). Good deal for $5. If you can get a picture up, we can give you a better idea.
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  • rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭✭
    I've looked at coins for decades and the toughest for me is a whizzed coin done expertly....only quick clue is the lustre will look funny....I've seen whizzed coins that at first glance that looked really nice....dangerous alteration in my opinion.
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  • majorbigtimemajorbigtime Posts: 2,937 ✭
    IMO, the only appropriate wizzing occurs after you have had a few beers!
  • bearcavebearcave Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Does yours look anything like this one?


    imageimage


    This one looks excellent straight on, lots of

    << <i>luster >>

    if you call it that. image But tilt the coin sideways like in the picture and this is what you see.

    Edited to add the straight on shot. He is a little dirty but you can not see the marks from the straight on shot.
    Ken
  • FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bearcave

    Great picture. You should show a straight on shot along with that one. It would really help folks that are not familiar with a Whizzed coin.

    Ken
  • mintlustermintluster Posts: 926


    << <i>Does yours look anything like this one?


    image


    This one looks excellent straight on, lots of

    << <i>luster >>

    if you call it that. image But tilt the coin sideways like in the picture and this is what you see. >>

    Looks like it was scrubbed clean with a wire brush....
  • bearcavebearcave Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Bearcave

    Great picture. You should show a straight on shot along with that one. It would really help folks that are not familiar with a Whizzed coin.

    Ken >>



    Great idea Fairlaneman, I'll see if I can get a good shot and edit my above post with a straight on shot. Be back in minute.
    Ken
  • bearcavebearcave Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The straight on shot is added to my above post. Check out the different look of the coin. Luster is one thing to look at but whizzed coins are hard to detect from a picture.
    Ken
  • wam98wam98 Posts: 2,685 ✭
    Heres a whizzed bust half. It takes a 5x or better to see the very fine lines. I knew it had been tampered with when I bought it. It just has that too shiney of a look, to the naked eye. Got it cheap, so no great loss. I like to just have it for referance. I'll use it here when someone has a thread about whizzed coins. image
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  • slideridersliderider Posts: 1,834
    mintluster,

    I have a 23 Peace dollar that looks like that. You can see areas around the rim where the original mint luster is still intact, but you can see the fine scratching when you turn the coin, like you illustrated. I bought a bunch of low grade, cleaned, or damaged Morgans and Peace dollars several years ago for just over silver melt. Silver was a lot lower then, so I could still profit on them today even if I sold them for silver scrap.
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  • metaldtctmetaldtct Posts: 52
    It looks much like bearcaves half. I just got a digital camera today. As soon as I figure it out I'll post a pic. I agree bigtime with Majorbigtime, but it's still a nice looking coin.


    HH Metaldtct
    That we are to stand by the president, right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.~Theodore Roosevelt-Republican president.

    We know that dictators are quick to choose aggression, while free nations strive to resolve differences in peace.~George W. Bush.






  • bearcavebearcave Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It looks much like bearcaves half. I just got a digital camera today. As soon as I figure it out I'll post a pic. I agree bigtime with Majorbigtime, but it's still a nice looking coin.


    HH Metaldtct >>



    Show us a pic when you get it.

    There's different ways to whiz a coin, mine could of had a wire brush used on it don't know as it was that way in a roll of Kennedys I bought. But if done right, pictures are hard to tell if it has been done. As you can see in my 2 shots, the angled one that shows the marks you can see my finger reflection in the coin but the straight on shot shows kinda a washed out look. You have to be real good with camera or photoshop to make the coin look natural.
    Ken
  • FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice job Bearcave.

    Here is my little jewell that got me one day. Notice how even and flat the Luster is. Luster, thats a good one. Also I do not know if you can see it but the middle and top bands have been re-tooled. A all around great dime.

    image
    image

    Ken
  • ss350camaross350camaro Posts: 4,529
    My 'whizzed' 1889 Morgan pocket piece.
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  • metaldtctmetaldtct Posts: 52
    I have two decent pictures of the coin. I can't figure out how to post them. I'm brand new to digital photography. When I hit the image button it says "Url for the image" and I don't know where to get one. I can find the pics in my documents, on the easyshare software, and on my MSN account. Easyshare also let me upload them to an "olfoto account". None of them gives me a URL. It says I can e-mail them. They need a post on forum option. Any help would be appreciated. If anyone is interested enough I wil gladly try to e-mail them to you.

    HH Metaldtct
    That we are to stand by the president, right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.~Theodore Roosevelt-Republican president.

    We know that dictators are quick to choose aggression, while free nations strive to resolve differences in peace.~George W. Bush.






  • SequiturSequitur Posts: 1,195
    I can't figure out how to post them.

    Have you uploaded them to your webspace? If so, what is the web address (URL) of each photo? If you haven't uploaded them, then you have to use the forum attach feature, which has a size limit.
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  • metaldtctmetaldtct Posts: 52
    Well here goes my first try at posting a pic. If this works this is the coin in question.

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    That we are to stand by the president, right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.~Theodore Roosevelt-Republican president.

    We know that dictators are quick to choose aggression, while free nations strive to resolve differences in peace.~George W. Bush.






  • my3centsmy3cents Posts: 1,411
    Metal - here's alittle help...

    If the pic is online, just right clickon it and then select "properties".

    Copy the URL and then use it as the URL for the picture on this board.

    That should do it. image

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  • bearcavebearcave Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Well here goes my first try at posting a pic. If this works this is the coin in question.

    image


    image >>



    Picture

    I put your picture above in the proper way but when clicking on it MSN tells me I need a password to view it. So this will not work. Click above link.

    Use the Attach Files button on the message form and upload your pictures to PCGS server, just make sure the pictures are downsized to 50kb or less in .jpg format. Then use the Picture Icon button at the top next to the http button and when the box pops up put this in first:

    https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads/oldattachments/.jpg

    Now put whatever you named your coin picture that you uploaded in between the last forward slash and the .jpg. Your picture should show up in the thread.
    Ken
  • metaldtctmetaldtct Posts: 52
    Retry

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    If it don't work this time I'll wait 'til my son comes home to post pics.
    That we are to stand by the president, right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.~Theodore Roosevelt-Republican president.

    We know that dictators are quick to choose aggression, while free nations strive to resolve differences in peace.~George W. Bush.






  • metaldtctmetaldtct Posts: 52
    image

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    Let's try it again
    That we are to stand by the president, right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.~Theodore Roosevelt-Republican president.

    We know that dictators are quick to choose aggression, while free nations strive to resolve differences in peace.~George W. Bush.






  • metaldtctmetaldtct Posts: 52
    YEEEEESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Now I gotta work on sizing
    That we are to stand by the president, right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.~Theodore Roosevelt-Republican president.

    We know that dictators are quick to choose aggression, while free nations strive to resolve differences in peace.~George W. Bush.






  • DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
    Sizing would be good. Now, great job!! Way better pictures than I saw earlier. Looks like someone took some kind of wire brush to her, in both directions. Too bad, she's a nice coin otherwiseimage
    Becky

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