The flap over the flips - PCGS's warning & rest of story

northcoin

It sounds like PCGS has been accused of returning coins body bagged or lower in grade because of scratches when the submitters have contended they were submitted without them. This appears to be the unsaid part of the "story" as implied from the fact that PCGS now notices it will no longer accept coins in PVC flips for grading. One more reason to avoid playing the "crack-out" game. Each time a coin is removed from its holder and slipped into a flip for regrading there is an additional opportunity to add surface damage.

PTVETTER

I'm not sold on the fact that new flips just used one time for submissions cause those marks on coins.

sliderider

They also said that the problem affects mainly large coins (silver dollars, double eagles, etc) with large areas exposed to the sliding in and out of the flip. The smaller the coin, the less common the problem seems to be. I'm sure that PCGS has probably damaged many peoples coins during grading and won't own up to it because of the potential for lawsuits. Case in point would be the example cited where the first grader rated a coin MS64, then the second grader noticed the scratch and said MS61, to which the first grader replied 'what scratch?'. Obviously the coin was reholdered in the flip before being passed to the second grader, and acquired the scratch at that point. I don't know if there is a case that can be made. Any legal minds here know whether a class action can be brought by coin owners who got their submission bodybagged or undergraded because of damage caused by the graders??

cosmicdebris

Good luck proving it. Unless you take high resolution high quality images of your coins before you send them in you have no proof.

BAJJERFAN

I thought it used to be that PCGS required the coin to be put into a small "poly" bag before it was put into the flip. Is this no longer true? Seems to me that I recall that "poly" meaning polyethylene bags was sposed to be causing hazing on proof coins.

nwcs

Correct, PCGS has not recommended poly bags for at least 18 months or so.

BAJJERFAN

How about using small bags made from "glassine" paper? Anyone ever tried these? Chemists know it as "weighing paper" because with the specially treated surfaces nothing sticks to it.

UncleWiggly

So what do we use now to put the coins into for submission?



Jerry

cosmicdebris

Air-tites???????

BAJJERFAN

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ElectricEye

<< <i>I'm sure that PCGS has probably damaged many peoples coins during grading and won't own up to it because of the potential for lawsuits. >>



Perhaps PCGS's lawyers can quote you on this someday.

kieferscoins

<< <i>Any legal minds here know whether a class action can be brought by coin owners who got their submission bodybagged or undergraded because of damage caused by the graders?? >>



Oh geez.

Cameron Kiefer

braddick

Interesting how all the scratches face one way. I know when I place coins into flips it is never just one way.

FrattLaw

<< <i>Any legal minds here know whether a class action can be brought by coin owners who got their submission bodybagged or undergraded because of damage caused by the graders >>



No evidence. Couldn't prove it. And you could have caused the scratch when you placed the coin into the flip and would have never of known it.

Michael

haletj

<< <i>I recall that "poly" meaning polyethylene bags was sposed to be causing hazing on proof coins. >>


Is this true? I use these to store business strikes (and put coins I submit in them before submitting). Several have told me they are 100% safe.

Russ

<< <i>So what do we use now to put the coins into for submission? >>





<< <i>Air-tites??????? >>



With money coins I put them in a 2x2 Intercept Shield then in to the 2.5x2.5 Saflip.

Russ, NCNE

Russ

<< <i><< I recall that "poly" meaning polyethylene bags was sposed to be causing hazing on proof coins. >>

Is this true? I use these to store business strikes (and put coins I submit in them before submitting). Several have told me they are 100% safe. >>



Yes, it's true. They are not 100% safe. They don't seem to effect business strikes the way they do proofs, though.

Russ, NCNE

ksteelheader

I put all of my coins in 2 X 2"S and then into the flips!