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OK PCGS I proved the coin

exists. It has been in NN magazine a few times. Now will you give the coin what it deserves the PMM designation??? If not then why?

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  • TWQGTWQG Posts: 3,145 ✭✭
    Have they ever designated die cracks?
  • GonfunkoGonfunko Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭
    Send it to ANACS. They may designate it UMM (Urinating Minute Man) just to keep the slab somewhat more professional, though.
  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    Nope, and they won't. But you can shove in a few extra hundreds with the submission and maybe they'd do it.
  • YES ANACS does it all the time. Lets argue the point. It needs attention.
  • TWQGTWQG Posts: 3,145 ✭✭
    Has PCGS ever designated die cracks?
  • GonfunkoGonfunko Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭
    Maybe if they lose a couple grand in business to ANACS, they'll start attributing it. Just wait until about 100 have been sent to ANACS, and then send it to PCGS. You really ought to gold-plate the die crack to make it look more realistic, though! image
  • I agree just the cracked part should be gold plated. PCGS should take the lead in such instances instead of letting the competition do it.
  • Along the same lines, at the Pittsburgh show, I stopped by an error dealer's table and pulled some NH quarters out. Before I could say anything, he says "Let me guess - they don't have a mintmark! It's a filled die error, and the most common one I see these days." I have a half dozen of these quarters from just a hint of a 'P' to no sign of a mark at all until you use strong magnification. Haven't other filled dies been designated by grading services? i.e. the '22 (I believe) Lincoln cent, to name one of the most notable. Wouldn't a nice unc example of this coin qualify as a mint error variety?image
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  • Conder101Conder101 Posts: 10,536


    << <i>Haven't other filled dies been designated by grading services? i.e. the '22 (I believe) Lincoln cent, to name one of the most notable. >>


    The 22 "P" is not a filled die. The die has been ground down enough to completely remove the mintmark.
  • Conder,
    Thanks for the clarification on that coin. I do remember that, also.
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    Pat, give it a rest it's a friggan' die crack! There is no way in hell PCGS is going to put that on a slab. Out of the big 3 ANACS is the only one that will attribute a Bugs Bunny Franklin, and that's a far more popular variety! If you want send them in and have them attributed what they are the slab will read DIE CRACK!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • Nope, the coin deserves more than that. It is a proof error that should not happen. ANACS designates a die crack as a Wounded Eagle on a business struck Sacagawea. This PMM is a proof error that deserves much much more. IS PCGS UP TO THE TASK?
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    It will not happen! There are only a handful of these, I have 3 already slabbed and you have 6 or 7, and it's a die crack!

    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • That is all the more reason for PCGS to do so. The fewer the better. Now is PCGS up to the task of taking a risk? In My opinion it is a no brainer.
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    IF we every get a cherrypickers guide.
    IF the coin gets assigned a FS# and is recognized by CONICA
    MAYBE PCGS will put the FS# and DIE CRACK on the holder
    I think PCGS will NEVER put Pissing Minuteman on the holder.
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • What a shame! Who is going to take the lead in the industry to give this coin its proper name??? It ain't like it is a porn video or something. Shoot if it was there would be more attention given to it nowadays.
  • Pat, after viewing the link, it looks to me like it could be listed as a variety, along the lines of the vam morgans. But I guess somebody will have to take the time to list all the varieties of statehood quarters when the series is finished and then designate the die varieties over the 10 years. You've got one type, I've got another....maybe we need to start making notes! I know that PCGS has made a small fortune on me in my attempts at putting together an MS67 state qtr series. so I've looked at an awful lot of the buggers, particularly the 1999s.
    Don't you know that it's worth
    every treasure on Earth
    to be young at heart?
    And as rich as you are,
    it's much better by far,
    to be young at heart!
  • Are the Vam morgans proof coins?????
  • Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,656 ✭✭✭
    All Morgans have vams numbers, including proofs. For example, the 1886 Proof Morgan is VAM-15 variety. Business strikes for 1886 are vams 1-14 and 16 and up.
  • I learned a bit about the vam designation at the show....Jim told me about the book and how they catalogued each variety. Then when I was negotiating the sale of one of my morgans, I ran it up to the ANACS table and was told it was a vam top-100. I asked what did that mean in terms of value, and was told in so many words, probably not too much. But I stashed the coin anyway!image
    Don't you know that it's worth
    every treasure on Earth
    to be young at heart?
    And as rich as you are,
    it's much better by far,
    to be young at heart!
  • Cool,
    I bet a modern error proof would be more rare than lets say a 1886 Proof Morgan VAM-15 variety simply because the modern proofs are checked before they are sent out not once but twice.
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    Face it Pat, anything more then it being a DIE CRACK isn't going to happen!! Plus the pop on the coin is over 10, so it's not that much of a rarity. You'll never get your $100,000 you think the coin is worth. $250, maybe... but you'll never get $100,000 in yours or anyone elses lifetime. As for the name on the slab it has already been asked to David Hall, and when he finished laughing his ass off, he said "NO".
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • Well, at least he laughed that makes me happy. But, on a more serious note. I am serious about this. I ain't gonna stop untill it is on CNN. Then they will know this is truly a rare coin. What would one of the proof Sacagaweas bring there are far fewer of them. Perhaps just 7 that I know about, and of course Crittos former coin it could possibly be the only one!!


  • << <i>Then they will know this is truly a rare coin. >>


    No one is questioning whether or not it is rare, the problem is no one collects proof state quarters by die crack variety so even with a population of ten there are more than enough to go around. Even if you include error ollectors you will find that few are interested in collecting die crack errors and even if they did want a proof coin with a die crack they are available enough to satify the demand with paying much if any premium.


  • << <i>I ain't gonna stop untill it is on CNN. Then they will know this is truly a rare coin. >>



    I'll pay you $100 if you can get CNN to run your story.

    Cameron Kiefer
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    I bet if you can get one in a P01 Braddick will cough up at least $1000!image
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • Well it ain't like the market will be flooded with them because of the rarity of the coin. But If you can get people more interested in these type of proof errors. Then maybe the price will come up if a biding war starts.
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    Holy Crap! It there on CNN!!!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    I know I'm going to regret this...

    Have you not made enough posts about this self-serving issue? There's nothing wrong with trying to make a buck on your coins but for crying out loud, enough already! For two years you have been trying to drum up support for a minor error only so you can sell yours for big money. I seriously doubt you would give this a moment's thought if you didn't own one. If there was any shred of serious numismatic intent behind your campaign I would feel differently, but your only motivation is greed.

    1. PCGS will never, ever "reward" you by slabbing this coin with any type of designation.
    2. Your error will never, ever become valuable.

    That's just the way it is. Nothing is going to change!

    If you are serious about your statement "I ain't gonna stop untill it is on CNN" then I will campaign to have you banned from here. Stop flogging your minor error, please!

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    OK Pat,
    Here is the drill. You buy one of my PMMs from me for $100,000 (for that I'll sell you the PCGS PR69DCAM POP 1/0). Then you can call CNN or Coin world or who ever you want! Then maybe your rare error will get the exposure you want! If your not willing to pay $100,000 for the Ultra Rare Error, then let it drop. Remember you may have some PMMs, but I have the PCGS PR69DCAM POP1/0 one, and for $100,000 it can be yours!!! So put up or shut up!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • BoomBoom Posts: 10,165
    He's not pissin', he's done got hooked with someone's fishin' line! It could be the "fishin' line, hooked in the weiner rarity!"image
  • Kranky,
    You are being way to Kranky. It is no minor error. Any error on any modern proof coin could hardly be called minor. I would not complain about you if you had such coin, and wanted to get it recognized, and become famous. It would be good for the coin industry.
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    But compaired to my PR69DCAM POP 1/0 your others are all crappy! So cough up the $100,000 and buy mine!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • Hey Boom,
    I guess you could say he went worm fishing!!!
  • Please explain, in 25 words or less, how in the he!! having this recognized would be good for the coin industry?!?!?!?!?!?!?

    I'm with Kranky on this one - the only part of the industry it would be good for is for you to have your 15 minutes of fame and possibly get an extra $15 for $20 for your stupid coin!

    Just drop it and spend all of this energy on something worthwhile, like helping little old ladies across the street....
    Cecil
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  • BoomBoom Posts: 10,165
    I reckon so! Looks like he got lucky and just got his pants hooked!image
  • Boom,
    He must have some luckoftheirish in him in order for that to happen. You know, I remember when I hooked my best friend in the head with 3 of 9 triple hooks on a mirror lure when we went fisinhg one day. I caught him on the back swing, and sunk those hooks in deep in the back of his head. My dad said I caught a world record 200 lb mullet. I felt bad for my buddy. We laugh about it all the time. Later on in life I knew how he felt when a jig with a 9-0 hook was sunk in my eyebrow 20 miles out in the gulfstream. Wow, what an adveture that was. I had to cut the hook out or I would have fainted and we would have been lost at see since my buddy didn't know how to get back. Once the hook was out we finished the days fishing trip. I wasn't about that to ruin the trip.
  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It is no minor error. >>


    It is indeed a minor error. Who else but you thinks otherwise?


    << <i>Any error on any modern proof coin could hardly be called minor. >>


    That statement is indicative of your personal bias on the issue. You have blinders on and can't accept the fact that there are plenty of errors on proof coins, most of which are minor. That is a fact, regardless of how you would wish it to be.


    << <i>I would not complain about you if you had such coin, and wanted to get it recognized, and become famous. It would be good for the coin industry. >>


    The coin was in NN, and that's as famous as it's going to get. You have been hoping for two years that a ridiculous name will create some buzz so you can cash in. Is it not yet painfully obvious that it is never going to happen? If you truly believe it is a major error, then buy MadMarty's top pop specimen for $100,000. You'll absolutely be famous at that point. Either buy his for the price that you yourself think the coin is worth, or drop it.

    In all the time you have been a member here, you have had only one thing to say, and you've said it a thousand times already. You beat this dead horse on multiple message boards and still no one cares. It is the completely self-serving nature of your comments that bothers me, not that we don't see eye-to-eye on what the coin is.

    You are welcome to have the last word as I am done with this thread. Since there's no reason to expect to see yet another thread on this topic started by you, I guess I can ignore this one until it dies.

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • Kranky,
    It is on this forum where I learned that die cracks are rare on proof coins! That statement was not created by me. It is what I learned right here on this forum. Thanks to all who have helped me here about this subject. Your knowlege is great, and very helpfull.
  • Conder101Conder101 Posts: 10,536


    << <i> Any error on any modern proof coin could hardly be called minor. >>


    This is where you are wrong. Errors on proofs ARE rare, but they can also be minor. I have difficulty thinking of any error wich if found on a proof coin would be more minor than a die crack. Even maching doubling damage can be more impressive on a proof than a die crack (because the coin is struck twice if the machine doubling occurs on the first strike it can be flattend and real spread out on the coin.)
  • Minor yes but still rare!
  • Perhaps you'd have better luck if you submitted it requesting an "ejaculating Minuteman"oe EMM Die Crack variety. Dunno, but I do like the coin.
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  • catfish172,
    You must be a product of our new shool system nowadays. That would be too obsence. However, the board members right here have named him long ago when he was first discovered.


  • << <i>catfish172,
    You must be a product of our new shool system nowadays. That would be too obsence. However, the board members right here have named him long ago when he was first discovered. >>



    I confess, it's the liberal television media I'm exposed to these days that put that thought in my head. Based off of the other replies in here. I'd say you're pretty much unsupported in your endeavor. I do applaud you in your tenacity. I don't think you should give up either, as you obviously believe deeply in your issue.
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  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,378 ✭✭✭✭✭
    OMG.....Catfish has moved on from trolling for Poe to trolling with luckyirish and the PMM now.


    Gotta have some controversy to stick to, right catfish?

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    btw.....some of the open forum people were hoping that you would go join them for a chat or two image

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  • << <i>OMG.....Catfish has moved on from trolling for Poe to trolling with luckyirish and the PMM now.


    Gotta have some controversy to stick to, right catfish?

    image



    btw.....some of the open forum people were hoping that you would go join them for a chat or two image >>



    Was just over there last night and got cold shouldered. Kind of polite if you think about it.
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