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A coin question for lawyers.

LALASD4LALASD4 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭
I purchased a coin on Ebay and that person never deliver the coin. Which laws has that person violated, I am in CA and he is in OR.
And he just opened a coin shop in OR.
Coin Collector, Chicken Owner, Licensed Tax Preparer & Insurance Broker/Agent.
San Diego, CA


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  • rottnrogrottnrog Posts: 683 ✭✭✭


    Bet I know who your are talking about, he owes me money also!!


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  • I had the same thing happen (and quite a few others involving the same seller) a few months ago. I contacted paypal and had my money back in my account three days later!
  • LALASD4LALASD4 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭
    Coin Collector, Chicken Owner, Licensed Tax Preparer & Insurance Broker/Agent.
    San Diego, CA


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  • rottnrogrottnrog Posts: 683 ✭✭✭


    That's Mike alright!!


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  • LALASD4LALASD4 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭
    Address:


    2135 nw hwy 101
    Lincoln city , or 97367
    Coin Collector, Chicken Owner, Licensed Tax Preparer & Insurance Broker/Agent.
    San Diego, CA


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  • ccexccex Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭
    I had never seen a picture of him before. Ironically, the only time I paid for something on eBay which I never received was Mike's book "How to Avoid Getting (Coin) Screwed on eBay."
    "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity" - Hanlon's Razor
  • XpipedreamRXpipedreamR Posts: 8,059 ✭✭


    << <i>I had never seen a picture of him before. Ironically, the only time I paid for something on eBay which I never received was Mike's book "How to Avoid Getting (Coin) Screwed on eBay." >>





    For real? Wow...that's almost worth it just for the irony!


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  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I had never seen a picture of him before. Ironically, the only time I paid for something on eBay which I never received was Mike's book "How to Avoid Getting (Coin) Screwed on eBay."

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    I hate to say it, but that is just too funny!
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    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • Isn't that Al Bundy on the leftimage
    Coins, shiny coins!
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,781 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>A coin question for lawyers. >>


    No lawyers on this board.

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    Buyer and seller of vintage coin boards!


  • << <i>Ironically, the only time I paid for something on eBay which I never received was Mike's book "How to Avoid Getting (Coin) Screwed on eBay." >>



    I got taken on that one too, still makes me smile when I think about it. image
  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    Not a lawyer, but I have some experience. I once sued a large computer company in South Dakota here in PA, over a problem they wouldn't fix. That got their attention!

    You can file in CA. If he loses, then you can export the judgment to OR, if OR recognizes judgments in your state. This is likely given they are bordering. One way to find out is call the local court where he lives and ask if they recognize CA judgments, and what the procedure is.
  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,104 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Without knowing any of the specifics, I offer the following that could apply if a seller does not deliver to the buyer goods that the seller offered for sale for which the buyer has paid.

    In both California and Oregon such conduct would constitute a breach of contract under common law; a breach of Article 2 of the Commercial Codes in effect in both states; and possibly a violation(s) of consumer protection statute(s). Further in California it may constitute fraud under Civil Code Section 1710 (4) [a promise made without any intent to perform same].

    I do not know the dollar amount of the transaction. In California small claims court handles civil disputes of $5,000.00 or less. I do not know what the limit is in Oregon. If suit was brought and a judgment obtained in California, the judgment could be submitted to an Oregon court with a request to enter an Oregon judgment based upon the existence of the California sister state judgment [per the U.S Constitution each state of the union must give full, faith and credit to, among other things, judgments issued in other states, all states have enacted Sister State Judgment statutes to put into place a procedure that can be used to apply for and obtain judgments on judgments issued in other states]. Once an Oregon judgment is issued by an Oregon court on a California judgment, the creditor can pursue collection of the Oregon judgment from any non exempt assets that the debtor has in Oregon. At the same time, if the debtor has property in California, the creditor can attempt to enforce the California judgment against those assets. However, the creditor can only collect the amount of the judgment once and is not allowed to obtain a double recovery.
  • Ummmm....yeah....what SanctionII said
  • FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977


    << <i>I had never seen a picture of him before. Ironically, the only time I paid for something on eBay which I never received was Mike's book "How to Avoid Getting (Coin) Screwed on eBay." >>

    That is way too funny. LMAO I can't stop.image
  • ccexccex Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I had never seen a picture of him before. Ironically, the only time I paid for something on eBay which I never received was Mike's book "How to Avoid Getting (Coin) Screwed on eBay." >>

    That is way too funny. LMAO I can't stop.image >>



    Thanks for your laughs everyone. I kid you not. My only non-delivered eBay item was auction #3011021241 in March of 2003. The irony of this transaction and the author's pathetic excuses for not shipping his book (something about exposure to lawsuits from a certain grading company in Florida) is now easily worth the measly $8.00 I gambled away. To his credit, he did send out a few free coins to some of his loyal eBay customers (but not to me). Some of those customers gave him negative feedback anyway.
    "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity" - Hanlon's Razor


  • << <i>what is his ebay name? >>



    yea, I would like to know also.....don't let us find out the hard way image
    Building 33-47 Mint Sets always looking for MS67s PM with any coins you might have for sale.

    Mike
    idocoins
  • I've always had a beef with ebay about this. They say that bidding is a contract and some sellers even take legal action against non paying bidders, but the last time I checked, there was still no such thing as a one sided contract in this country. If you are bound to pay, he is bound to deliver, UNLESS it states specifically in the auction listing that the item is subject to previous sale at the sellers location. IF there are no disclaimers, I'd pursue it if it was for a valuable enough piece.

    Oh, and if he gives you a refund, I don't think you have a case, since you aren't actually out anything, but it might still be construed as a promise by him to sell you something for a certain price and then him backing out. I'd go for it. We don't need anymore hucksters in this hobby. There's enough already and they give all of us, collectors and dealers alike, a black eye.
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  • ccexccex Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>what is his ebay name? >>



    yea, I would like to know also.....don't let us find out the hard way image >>



    A year and a half ago, this seller's ID was "emeraldcitycoin*com" before it became NARU. I haven't bumped into him since.
    "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity" - Hanlon's Razor
  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777
    So, what is his current ebay name?? How did you know that he is the middle guy in that picture??
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    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
  • LAWMANLAWMAN Posts: 1,274 ✭✭
    YOU CAN SUE IN CALIFORNIA SMALL CLAIMS COURT. CALL AND FIND THE NEAREST ONE. THEY HAVE INFORMATION OFFICERS WHO CAN HELP YOU FILL OUT THE FORMS.
    DSW

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