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What is Most Valuable 20th century U.S. Coin?: (exit 1913 Lib and GOLD) **UPDATE**10/19/04
lloydmincy
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Besides the 1913 Liberty Nickel, and besides any GOLD coins, what is your opinion??
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[EDIT: Assuming the 1964-D Peace Dollar is ineligible...
As would the 1921-s half and 1919-d half in very high grades.
High grade 1901 Morgan.
Top end 1922 plain Lincoln.
Overdate Buffalo nickels.
Overdate SLQ.
the 1964 Peace Dollar
it's out there...somewhere
3 coins have sold for $240,000 or more in the past 5 years of the 20th-century through auctions (excluding GOLD and 1913 Lib). Have any idea?
One most of you will miss....
Info: 1927-s MS66FH PCGS quarter up for sale at Heritage as we speak, but unlikely to pass the $200K mark. 1916-D MS67FB dime going for less than $130K FYI. 1943-D COPPER cent sold for $212,000 not long ago, but not in the top three (smile).
<< <i>Was the pissing Minuteman one of them?? >>
No, that was only $200,000. Not the $240K + mentioned earlier.
How about a 1927-D Double Eagle in MS-65? They do go for a lot more than face value, or so I'm told.
Tom
41 s walkers in superb gem original never dipped white rainbow toned both sides go try to find one!
rainbow pastel toned 36 satin superb gem proof buff nicks
greatly exceptional colored superb gem robinson boone early commems
michael
My 1866 Philly Mint Set
I thought about that one. But no one owns one, except the Smithsonian. (that we know of). It would probably be number one, but I didn't consider it.
RBINTEX, WINGEDLIBERTY, not even close.
JHAR: 20th century, not 19th!!!!
PUTTOGETHER: 1916 MS66FH (I have one) go for about (only) $34,000. A MS67FH sold for $86,000 a few years ago.
TJKILLIAN: A 1901-s MS66 is expected to fetch about $70,000 from the Richmond Collection (Auctioneer David Lawrence) in the spring. And your 1927-D Double Eagle is a GOLD piece. I said NO GOLD. (A good 1927-d DE goes for over $500,000...).
<< <i>Clearly it's the 1974 Aluminum cent
Hey... that is a beautiful coin... incredibly lustrous (and it's nice and light, too
<< <i>An 1896 PR69 Morgan just sold in the Superior Sale for $110,000. But that's probably not on your list. >>
Wrong century
I'd venture to guess a 1916 MS/FH 25c, or an FB 1916-D... or possibly the 1918/7 buffalo... didn't a 67 sell at a huge sum recently?
Jeremy
PCGS MS66FB 1919-D dime for $212,500
Regards,
Wayne
Wayne
www.waynedriskillminiatures.com
<< <i>I remember a 1901-S Quarter in PCGS MS-65. Now I can see that being an expensive coin. >>
A family doctor I had for a little while in the late 90s told me he owned an MS67 of this date (!). I don't know anything about the pop report but it was to the top specimen for a time. I think at the time I talked to him about this there had been an MS68 example graded....I could be wrong though...
jom
"Seu cabra da peste,
"Sou Mangueira......."
Yes, but it is not needed/included in any registry set so who cares
You got 2 out of three correct!!! The only other 19th century coin, (less 1913Lib and GOLD) that generated over $240,000 to make it in the top three is:
The nicest of the two 1922 LOW RELIEF Peace Dollar Matte Proofs. One sold about 5 years back for $242,000...
I doubt the 1958 DDO would go for much. I would bet less than $50,000 for sure. The 1901-s MS68 Quarter would be a big catch. Wonder how much??? Technically, the highest price paid for a coin based on the parameters for the 19th century is the MS65 1918/7-d Buffalo PCGS, sold at B & M in Pittsburgh just this week.
I WAS WRONG>>>> A (the) 1901-S 25C NGC MS68 sold at Superior 1989for $550,000. so I am told...
As I recall from the 1989 market, a 1901-s quarter in either MS67 or MS68 did fetch about $450,000. That was my recollection. I think that was the king of the 20th century (gold excluded) in the last strong market. One of these in MS68 or higher is also right at the top of the list.
roadrunner
<< <i>There's also an PCGS MS66 FH 1927-S quarter that should rank right up there. It should have sold by now, assuming it met the reserve. >>
That was a pretty coin. It's funny though...about 10 years ago they were saying that the 27-S never came with a full head. I've seen a good number of them lately for some reason. What's up with that?
jom
<< <i>67 what, Jeremy??? >>
MS 67... but mentioned previously, it might have been the 1916/16 I was thinking of
In my knowledge, the most expensive one is the 1916 SLQ pattern. It showed in last year auction and did not sell (I remembered the last bid was $425K, correct me if I was wrong). The owner was looking for $750K for the coin (was offered $500K that he told me so).
JCPING and KOYNEKWEST: The 1927-S MS66 SLQ in PCGS at Heritage this week DID NOT SELL. You could buy it for $195,500 or less RIGHT NOW. SO NOT IN THE TOP THREE.
ROADRUNNER. I agree with you, but WHERE ARE THEY? As the years go by, highly unlikely they will show up. The 1943 COPPER cents trying to get in the rankings, but not yet.
Remember BOWTIECOINS, the 1913 Lib nickel does NOT count.
ROADRUNNER, you may know more than I know about the 1901-s High grade quarter(s). I do not have any record or knowledge of one selling for that much, but I can't say no way.
I did this thread to see if I missed anything. Apparently, I did, like the 1916 Pattern quarter, and the High grade 1901-S quarter. I just wondered what everyone thinks!! Yeah, the 1958 DDO is unique, but NOT WORTH $240,000 or more to officially be in the top three!!!!!!
roadrunner
If an MS65 1916 1-O-V ever would grade MS65, it would HAVE to bring $500,000+. As far as I'm aware, only three MS examples exist-the POP reports list 9, but I'm sure this has been inflated by re-submissions. An MS63 sold back in 1986 for $9600-of course, not slabbed. I wonder if this coin might not be the same one that was subsequently slabbed as an MS64. An 18/17-D in 66 would surely bring similar money as a true MS65 1916/16. The nickel is MUCH tougher in Mint state than the 1918-S/17 quarter.
I'm sure a 1918-S/17 in FH65 would rank up there, too, if one ever turns up.
A 1958 1-O-V Lincoln in MS65RD sold for $100,000 a while back-I think Sam Lukes had that one. Also, I wonder what an MS66 RD 1922 plain cent would bring, and to correct a previous typo, the 1919-D Walker in MS66 would seem to be worth $250,000+.
I was totally unaware of the Proof Peace dollar that sold for big bucks. It's about time coins like this eclipse a PR70 1963 Lincoln.
Well, after (some) research, here are the top 5 20th century coins, EXCLUDING the 1974 aluminum cent, 1913 Liberty 5C, and any GOLD coins in that era:
#1 1901-S MS68 NGC Quarter (where is it?) worth $550,000 (est)
(Sold Superior 10+ years ago?)
#2 1916 SLQ Pattern (Proof?) Probably worth $450,000 (est)
(Not sold recently through Heritage. Jay Cline wanted $445,000 minimum bid. No one came close).
#3 1922 Matte PR Peace/low relief worth $300,000 (est)
(Superior Sale, Jan 1995 for $242,000 - 8 years ago...)
#4 1918/7-d Buffalo Nickel PCGS MS65 worth $287,500+
(sold to dealer - has a buyer so it is worth a little more. From B & M Auctions - 8/2004 - Pittsburgh!)
#5 1916/1916 DDO MS64 PCGS worth $281,750
(sold to collector - same B & M auction in Pittsburgh)
OK, anyone have any proof to knock off the top 5????
You are the investor that bought the 1916/1916 nickel in ms 64.Did you know it was bought raw by Nick Ciancio for $70,000 a few years back at a Central States auction?
I believe I have a few coins worth in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.I have to think about it.
Sam Lukes sold the 58 double die for $57,000.Do you know anyone that collects 58 DDO cents?
Stewart
Since I don't know what I'm talking about I will state the obvious three most valuable coins:
1) 1963 Lincoln cent Proof 70 Deep Cameo - purchased by David Hall and now residing on his desk $39,200
2) 1960 D Jeffreson Nickel - ms 64 full steps (no Monticello as it just didn't come out in the die) $31,200
3) 1940 Lincoln Cent - ms 68 red sold by David Hall to a privaye collector who is tickled pink sold for approximately $22,500
Now of course I've just outdid all these sales by purchasing a 1909 s Lincoln cent for $69,000.Of course when it upgrades to ms 68 red I will look like a numismatis genius
Stewart
OK, I'll bite. The 68 sold at a Superior sale around 1989 for 550K. I'd be surprised to see it sell as high today. (But I've spent a fair part of the past year being surprised.)
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
<< <i>Lloyd- I don't know what Stewart is talking about and he obviously does not either. The 16/16 was a coin that came out of the 2001 Heritage Central States sale as lot 7093. It sold for $83,375. Jesse Lipka and I purchased the coin out of the sale. Along with the spot on the chin of the Indian, the coin was covered in PVC. I soaked the coin in acetone for a few days to help loosen up the carbon spot. The spot flecked off instantly leaving almost no evidence of it ever having been there as evidenced by the present appearance of the coin. The PVC came off the coin leaving the beautiful peripheral toning now present on it. The toning may have deepened a little bit since then. It appeared to from my memory of it, but as I have no pictures of the coin after the PVC was removed, I cannot be sure. The coin graded 63 at PCGS and I sold it to Carl in that holder telling him I thought it should have been graded a 64. When Carl decided to sell his set I advised him to try the 16/16 and a few other coins for regrade. The 16/16 upgraded to a 64 like I thought it would. Read the history of the coin in the Heritage auction description and you will now know everything I do of its history. If you ever decide to sell it, please feel free to contact me. It is the nicest 16/16 I have ever seen. >>
If I owned this coin now in its 64 holder, its recent history as a carbon spotted PVC covered coin would bug the heck out of me.
I would constantly be tilting it in the light to see if I could make out a ghost image of the former carbon spot and I'd be studying it daily to see if the toning was getting darker. That would lessen my enjoyment of owning it by an amount I would quantify as $187,325.
Stewart shows up, and his opinion is always right. At the same time, trying to make everyone else feel bad, AND justify how great his coin purchases are. I had a feeling the coin was the Central States raw one back in 2001. Even looking at it in pictures from Heritage, I thought the detail was unbeatable. I know it has a different look now. And that "carbon" spot...I didnt think it was a carbon spot. Looked like a simple piece of dirt or something close. Something that would just drop off the coin...
How much is a coin really worth???
That 1916/1916 DDO OPENED at $204,999. SOMEONE, (NOT ME) bid up for it that high, before the floor auction. (Basically $235,000 with the juice). I thought even a 1 point difference with PCGS (a MS63) as a Pop 1 would be great. But 2 points better than any other PCGS 1916/1916 seemed awesome to me. I looked at the coin a ton in Baltimore, and I fell in love with it. When I went to Pittsburgh, I thought I would go for the 1918/7-d ms65, but I didn't like it. Dave, you bid on the 1916 DDO immediately, then I had to go against a phone bidder in the back room (working with a dealer). All I know is, it is my favorite, and my second most valuable coin. (Yes, only #2). I really wanted the 1853-O NA Half from Baltimore, but backed out before it was too late to even try. That coin doubled in a year. I guess the 1916/1916 DDO tripled in three years. Stewart, you can scare me all you want, but I feel I have one the the great rarities of the 20th century that I dreamed of having as a kid. SO far, I have the best.
Stewart, congrats on you paying triple for a Pop 3 Lincoln. I know you have two now, and say you get the third. Well, then try to sell it. Like the old stock broker joke. "Keep buying, the stock is going up". "OK,OK,OK, I bought as much as I can buy. Now, I want to sell all my shares...." "to who???". If that 1909-s turns into a 68, you are paying someone's house payment at PCGS.
You are taking a risk too. Just like that 1910-S MS67RD from (PCI, I think?) that showed up, making the pop to 2. There are a lot of 1909-S MS67RD's at NGC. Who knows, it can be propaganda for all I know. Maybe PCGS would want to have ONE MS68RD, just to say there is one. I would find it very peculiar if they did that, especially for a 95 year old coin, to INCREASE in mint state over time.
This is a risky endeavour at the high end. But they don't make anymore of these things, and as the years go by, more unlikely anything else will show up. If it does, then we gambled and lost a little. All I know is I will be looking at my nickel until I get Social Security. I get my full benefit in 26 years...
Now Stewart, your coin HAS TO BE IN THE 20th century to qualify. I am guessing your 65RD 1922 NO D comes close, to maybe $100,000. I know you are not a collector for the 1943 COPPER cents, so I don't know what you would have that is close....
Regarding the 1916 DDO, I outbid someone by a measly $10,000 plus the juice. $40,000 from the closing internet bid. It wasnt like two bidder's against each other.
I bought something in 1996 for $30,000 and I will never forget how crappy I felt, thinking I had made a big mistake, or that I wanted to throw up. I know what that coin is worth today. Stomach feeling just fine!!!
BTW, Stewart, did you know you could of bought from Wondercoin a 1909-s MS67RD a few years back for about $9,000???