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How serious is eBay about preventing fraud? Check this out!

K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭
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One of the guys over on RCC posted this:

A few days ago I mentioned a buyer named Kennedydepp had made an ebay
purchase from me. I noted she had 0 feedback and had spent 16K in a very
short order. It turns out (after emailing several other sellers) that she
paid using counterfeit cashier checks.

Being the good guy that I am (double pat on the pat ;-) I put all the
information together with links to all and emailed it to the Beverly Hills
Police Dept (where the shipping address was). Anyway to make a long story
short, the P.D. called me today and told me that thanks to my information,
they arrested her yesterday!

Now keep in mind this "buyer" sent several counterfeit cashier's checks, and has actually been arrested. Has eBay taken any action? Of course not!

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  • CoinHunter2003CoinHunter2003 Posts: 498
    Scumnuked that one for sure!

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  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭
    Before passing judgement, I have one simple question, did anyone contact/notify eBay?
    "It's far easier to fight for principles, than to live up to them." Adlai Stevenson
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭


    << <i>Before passing judgement, I have one simple question, did anyone contact/notify eBay? >>



    Yes, several sellers have. Unfortunately, in their never ending process of trying to cover up fraud on eBay, they pulled the thread on the eBay boards where this scammer was discussed.
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    pretty sad.

    the supply of sewage-scum. the dregs of society, will never be depleted.

    K S
  • Dukie101Dukie101 Posts: 1,313 ✭


    Being the good guy that I am (double pat on the pat ;-) I put all the
    information together with links to all and emailed it to the Beverly Hills
    Police Dept (where the shipping address was). Anyway to make a long story
    short, the P.D. called me today and told me that thanks to my information,
    they arrested her yesterday!


    GREAT JOB!!!!!!!
    Larry
  • EvilMCTEvilMCT Posts: 799 ✭✭✭
    One down, just a few thousand to go.

    Ken
    my knuckles, they bleed, on your front door
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭


    << <i>eBay does not release the total number of auction fraud cases on its site, but company spokesman Kevin Pursglove said the rate of such cases dropped from about one in 35,000 auctions in 1999 to about one in 40,000 in 2000. Based on the number of auction listings that the company has released, that would represent an increase from about 3,700 fraud cases in 1999 to about 6,600 in 2000 because of the large increase in the total auctions listed on eBay over those two years. >>



    What eBay doesn't tell you in that line of BS is the only auctions they consider fraudulent are those that their bogus protection plan pays on. According to independant sources, eBay only pays one out of fifty claims on that plan. Do the math. Or better yet, just go and take a sampling of the current auctions for laptops, plasma TVs, digital cameras and camcorders.
  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    Good goin'!
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  • idocoinsidocoins Posts: 633
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    Excellent work, why didn't anybody who got burned do that ?
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  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭
    He was one who got burnt, he was the guy who left the negative for a uncut sheet of $1 FRNs.
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    eBay is every bit as determined to stop fraud as O. J. Simpson is determined to find the real killer.
  • RegistryCoinRegistryCoin Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭✭
    I simply call the fbi when faced with eBay fraud. It's interstate... and eBay won't do anything, generally.
    At least a fraudulent seller will most likely take notice.
  • nccoinnccoin Posts: 606
    Ebay is such a joke, I don't know why I do any business there. I guess there isn't a better option right now. Hopefully one day, Ebay will be held accountable for what goes on. Only then will they care about the widespread fraud. I don't know why ebay does not have to abide by the same laws as every other company does. It would be like if you bought a stereo at wallmart and it blew up in your face, according to "ebay law" Wallmart could say "sorry, out of our hands, as a buyer you are resposible for your purchases and need to be more careful when making a purchase of something".
  • alergaralergar Posts: 420
    The bay of E will probably grant them power seller status image
  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    It's like the Wild West on Ebay. You need experience, and some luck too, to survive the lawlessness.

    What Ebay needs is a shark to initiate a class action suit against them, grouping together those who have been ripped off. Adrian, getting bored in Mexico? Here's something to do...
  • kieferscoinskieferscoins Posts: 10,017 ✭
    Way to go Beverly Hills P.D.! Clark Fogg is a collector and expert coin photographer and is actually an police investigator for the Beverly Hills P.D. I am glad they caught her!

    Cameron Kiefer
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭
    Ebay has become so bad with fraud that I have significantly reduced my buying there. Nine out of every ten auctions I look at I wouldn't touch. There is a small group of sellers who I trust, but as was mentioned in another thread by Bill Jones, the frauds are making it nearly impossible for honest sellers.

    This counterfeit cashier's check business is becoming an epidemic. If I do ever go back to any selling on eBay, the only forms of payment that will get immediate shipment will be PayPal and Postal money orders. Everything else will have to clear, unless I know the buyer and/or have done business with them before.
  • JrGMan2004JrGMan2004 Posts: 7,557 ✭


    << <i>It's like the Wild West on Ebay. You need experience, and some luck too, to survive the lawlessness.

    What Ebay needs is a shark to initiate a class action suit against them, grouping together those who have been ripped off. Adrian, getting bored in Mexico? Here's something to do... >>

    I agree with you on the class action suit... I think they would be liable since it is in their venue..... but of course, how much do I know about the law? image
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  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Before you all slam Ebay, this also happened recently to my dealer. In his case, Ebay contacted him to let him know of a scammer using counterfeit cashiers checks. He had the check in hand and was able to turn it over to the proper authorities and not lose out on any property. He would have shipped the item had it not been for ebay.

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  • MurphyMurphy Posts: 903 ✭
    Good for you! I think EBay should cut you a healthy check for your services, rendered in a more timely and efficient manner than they themselves could do.
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  • nccoinnccoin Posts: 606


    << <i>Before you all slam Ebay, this also happened recently to my dealer. In his case, Ebay contacted him to let him know of a scammer using counterfeit cashiers checks. He had the check in hand and was able to turn it over to the proper authorities and not lose out on any property. He would have shipped the item had it not been for ebay. >>

    They catch about 1 out of a thousand at best.
  • RBinTexRBinTex Posts: 4,328 ✭
    "... simply call the fbi when faced with eBay fraud...."

    My experience has been that they don't seem to care either unless it's more than 25k or you have ironclad eveidence pointing to a specific person or group of people.
  • RotatedRainbowsRotatedRainbows Posts: 2,085 ✭✭


    << <i>Ebay is such a joke, I don't know why I do any business there. I guess there isn't a better option right now. Hopefully one day, Ebay will be held accountable for what goes on. Only then will they care about the widespread fraud. I don't know why ebay does not have to abide by the same laws as every other company does. It would be like if you bought a stereo at wallmart and it blew up in your face, according to "ebay law" Wallmart could say "sorry, out of our hands, as a buyer you are resposible for your purchases and need to be more careful when making a purchase of something". >>



    You are comparing apples to oranges, using your example the city which provides the venue for Walmart selling would be held responsible not Walmart. Ebay does not sell anything they just provide the venue, until cities, states and America itself is held responsible for stores or other people who commit fraud ebay never will be since they both provide the same service ie: providing a venue for sellers to offer their wares.
  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    The city where Walmart is will provide police and courts to prosecute Walmart if they commit fraud.
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  • NeptuneNeptune Posts: 2,221
    Hopefully one day, Ebay will be held accountable for what goes on. Only then will they care about the widespread fraud. I don't know why ebay does not have to abide by the same laws as every other company does.

    and why is that - does anyone really know ........... why is there regular law - and then 'eBay law'??????????? Of course, if they get sued, they will jack up all fees to cover it.
  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Person-to-person sales over the Internet is truly the Wild West. eBay is simply the conduit, and the gatekeeper. Keep that in mind when buying and selling. i.e. BE VERY CAREFUL.

    eBay is interested in one thing: making MONEY, and lots of it. They’re succeeding! They’re not interested in chasing down a few goofy check bouncers and rip-off artists.

    I expect this account will be NARU’ed soon. Maybe not quick enough for everyone’s happiness (is that the real argument here?) but it will happen.

    Dave
    Always looking for original, better date VF20-VF35 Barber quarters and halves, and a quality beer.
  • GoYankeesGoYankees Posts: 1,025


    << <i>One of the guys over on RCC posted this:

    A few days ago I mentioned a buyer named Kennedydepp had made an ebay
    purchase from me. I noted she had 0 feedback and had spent 16K in a very
    short order. It turns out (after emailing several other sellers) that she
    paid using counterfeit cashier checks.

    Being the good guy that I am (double pat on the pat ;-) I put all the
    information together with links to all and emailed it to the Beverly Hills
    Police Dept (where the shipping address was). Anyway to make a long story
    short, the P.D. called me today and told me that thanks to my information,
    they arrested her yesterday!

    Now keep in mind this "buyer" sent several counterfeit cashier's checks, and has actually been arrested. Has eBay taken any action? Of course not!

    Scammer's Feedback >>



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  • GonfunkoGonfunko Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭
    They've been NARU'd now.
  • relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570 ✭

    eBay serious about preventing fraud? imageimageimageimageimageimageimageimage
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  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Everyone happy now!
    Always looking for original, better date VF20-VF35 Barber quarters and halves, and a quality beer.
  • lloydmincylloydmincy Posts: 1,861 ✭
    Two things:

    #1) EBAY is sooo large, I doubt they have the TIME or even want to deal with police work. Let the seller and buyer beware.

    #2) As a seller, are you not waiting for the check to clear before you even think about mailing anything out ???? The seller should never get burned. Wait for funds, THEN ship. Correct?
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  • doopdoop Posts: 357


    << <i>eBay is every bit as determined to stop fraud as O. J. Simpson is determined to find the real killer. >>


    heh, yeah they found theirselves didnt they ?
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Hey Lloyd,

    My welfare check is late this month. Can you look in to that for me?

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>#2) As a seller, are you not waiting for the check to clear before you even think about mailing anything out ???? The seller should never get burned. Wait for funds, THEN ship. Correct? >>

    Correct. It's just that most people take the time to get a cashier's check instead of writing a personal check at least in part because they want the item shipped immediately upon the seller's receipt of the check. But with all these fakes out there, a cashier's check is becoming more like a personal check in that you have to wait a few days to make sure nothing funny happens with your deposit.

    As said earlier in the thread, it's looking more and more like you can only ship right away for PayPal transactions, and then only to confirmed addresses. Sheesh.
  • BowTieCoinsBowTieCoins Posts: 899
    E-bay has in red "no longer a registered user"

    Good job helping!

    Katrina
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭
    All's well that ends well I guess. Looks like they were just NARU'ed for reaching -4 feedback. I understand they are being held on several felony counts.
  • majorbigtimemajorbigtime Posts: 2,937 ✭
    How serious is eBay about preventing fraud?



    << <i>image >>



    I'm looking for the Ebay buyer protections!, So far, just a pile of crap!!!
  • NoGvmntNoGvmnt Posts: 1,126 ✭
    Dear Eric,

    Please cease and desist disparaging our client in a public forum or we will be forced to take immediate legal action against you.

    Sincerely, The Ebay Law Firm.image

  • majorbigtimemajorbigtime Posts: 2,937 ✭


    << <i>Dear Eric,

    Please cease and desist disparaging our client in a public forum or we will be forced to take immediate legal action against you.

    Sincerely, The Ebay Law Firm.image >>



    It's not actionable disparagment when the republication is by the defamee!

    Besides, I think it's a funny self-portriat of K6AZ watching Russ look for accented hairs!

    Managing Partner, ELF

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