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What would you do with a proof 1936 half with "haze"?
gemini12398
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My problem is this: I have a 1936 Proof Walker Half in a 65 holder, pcgs. The strike is great but it looks like the coin was wash with muddy water, leaving a haze. Is it worth submitting to NCS to remove the haze, then cross it over, perhaps as a 66 or just leave it "as is"? What would you do?
David
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but if i had to take an educated guess i would say if it aint broke dont fix it but this is the collector in me talking
now if you want to sell the coin and maximise its value well then send to ncs get an upgrade? at ngc? then cross over? to pcgs?and sell it for more money to and a greater demand from the marketplace
and this is not a good or bad thing just the way it is the coin might come out monster looking? or not? some will and some will not then this is a good thing and good for you if it comes out great
only time will tell
i hope you make all the right decisions
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you spin the wheel and you take your chances
and i think overall it all evens out in the end
so in my estimation if you do nothing or something the conclusion is always the same
which is again............................. it all evens out in the end
michael
of how thier conserved coins hold up in the long run.
Be a bad deal to have it nicely curated only to have it
retone ugly again over time. Then your worse than back to square one.
I guess if the coin can be encapsulated without trapping any contaminates
and rests in a stable envorinment in the holder it would be peachy keen
and all would be right in the world.
Do all NCS`d coins hold their recovered beauty?
Or most? May be worth the submission to conserve to thing
for future generation to enjoy,if NCS` track record is a solid one.
crack it, dip it, submit it...
without seeing the coin - I guess you find this haze unattractive. Assuming it is original, I would prefer it over a dipped white coin any day. I'd leave it alone - if it is already in a PCGS holder as a Pr65 I'd be hesitant to do the NCS conservation thing. The number of obviously original "undipped" peices is only going down IMHO looking at 1936-1942 Proofs. I've read some great things and some not-so-great things posted here about NCS in terms of satisfaction with the results. I'd just leave it alone. Post a photo of it if you can.
Best,
Billy
if you send the coin to NCS with instructions to send it to NGC afterwards, they'll only crack it and conserve it if it'll cross. in the worst case, you'll have a coin returned to you still in the PCGS holder that can be sent to PCGS for a grade guarantee review. you cost will be minimal and you'll have a professional opinion about the coin's surface condition.
i would caution you to avoid cracking it and dipping it yourself unless you know what you're doing and are prepared to take a loss on the coin if it has damaged surfaces. once out of it's present holder you may have a coin which won't be graded by any of the majors.
i say pay the low professional fee to NCS.
al h.
I would consider cracking it, and sending to NCS for conservation and grading by NGC. Once back from NGC, you can decide what you want to do from there. If you want it in a PCGS holder, you can always try to cross it, or crack it again and resubmit.
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This gets back to my comments about dipped coins and how they are often more saleable, and in the eyes of many collectors more attractive. Trying to prevent original silver coins from going into the dipping pot is a losing battle.
dump the coin, & buy 1 YOU LIKE.
K S
Frequently the grade of PR65 is a result of hairlines. In fact, it is rarely the result of haze unless that haze is very ugly. This does not seem to be the case with your coin. Don't do anything until you have inspected it very carefully under intense high wattage illumination. If it is hairlines that put it in a PR65 holder, dipping it will simpy make them more visible and could even result in a downgrade.
Russ, NCNE
It has always been my experience that dipping 'created' hairlines. especially on proof stuff.....
Is it possible that NCS has some other 'trick'? I'm with Keets on this one for sure....
Paul
<< <i>It has always been my experience that dipping 'created' hairlines. especially on proof stuff..... >>
How can dipping create hairlines? It is a non-abrasive procedure.
Russ, NCNE
If you're going to keep the coin, I'd leave it alone. I'm of the opinion you can choose to conserve it at any time in the future, but you can never choose to restore it to originality. If and when you're going to sell the coin, you can always conserve it, holder it, or do anything else you please. Who knows what level of expertise conservators will posess then. Perhaps by then, you'll also have an idea of how the market has judged conservation. JMO
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
David
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<< <i>It has always been my experience that dipping 'created' hairlines. especially on proof stuff..... >>
How can dipping create hairlines? It is a non-abrasive procedure.
Russ, NCNE >>
Dipping does not create hairlines, but it forms little ridges or breaks in the Proof surface that show up when you swirl the coin in the light. I think the concave fields on the Wienman designed coins make this more obvious. After you have examined a lot of these coins, and seen the comparatively few number of pieces that don’t have it, these little marks become pretty distracting. If you buy a Proof set from this era, you can pretty will bet that most of the silver coins will have these marks, unless it is a remarkable “virgin” that has not see the light of a bourse floor for many years.
<< <i>How can dipping create hairlines? It is a non-abrasive procedure. >>
It's when they scrub it with a brillo pad!
<< <i><< It has always been my experience that dipping 'created' hairlines. especially on proof stuff..... >> How can dipping create hairlines? It is a non-abrasive procedure. >>
dipping cannot create hairlines, but it can reveal pre-existing hairlines by removing the patina on a coin. an original patina has a similar effect to the way car wax can hide swirls & minor abrasions on a car's painted finish.
yet another reason NOT to dip.
again, WHY did you buy this coin if you just can't stand it??? makes no sense, no sense AT ALL.
K S
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<< <i>It has always been my experience that dipping 'created' hairlines. especially on proof stuff..... >>
How can dipping create hairlines? It is a non-abrasive procedure.
Russ, NCNE >>
Hi Russ,
Maybe it was my drying, that part of the procedure. Years ago, when I would try to dip out unattractive coins, I hairlined a ton of proof singles....
Paul